Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Allegations about the 2000 Fijian coup d'état


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.  

The result was delete.  Kurykh  23:54, 11 August 2007 (UTC)

Allegations about the 2000 Fijian coup d'état
An encyclopedia deals with facts, not allegations. We have extensive coverage on the 2000 Fiji coup already; however, this article starts by mentioning conspiracy theories, and has exactly zero sources. Looks like original research to me.  &gt; R a d i a n t &lt;  11:12, 6 August 2007 (UTC)


 * Strong keep. Your claims about "exactly zero sources" are blatantly incorrect. The sources - Fiji Sun, Fiji Times, etc. are named in the article, and in some cases are linked.  All these are daily newspapers in Fiji.  Besides, if your claims that "an encyclopedia deals with facts, not allegations" is true, I hope you've nominated John F. Kennedy's assassination theories for deletion also.  That way I could at least give you marks for consistency. David Cannon 11:21, 6 August 2007 (UTC)
 * No, there are in fact no sources. There's not even a "sources" section at the bottom.  &gt; R a d i a n t &lt;  12:08, 6 August 2007 (UTC)


 * Keep But I'd like to see the sources in text provided as references at the bottom. Also the article needs to be streamlined somewhat. Recurring dreams 12:05, 6 August 2007 (UTC)


 * Keep, rename, improve citations. This title is vague, it should be something like Conspiracy theories surrounding the 2000 coup d'état in Fiji (which the article clarifies in its first sentence). I also agree with Recurring dreams regarding the sources. --Targeman 15:33, 6 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete, hadn't realized there was already an appropriate section in the main article. In the light of this, the nominated article looks like a PoV fork indeed. --Targeman 19:17, 6 August 2007 (UTC)


 * I strongly recommend anyone reviewing this AfD read the article
 * There is exactly one linked source. There are numerous quotes, but zero links.
 * I would also like to point out that the mentioned allegations have been popularized by two individuals. The two individuals were, according to this article, involved in the political party who implemented the 2000 coup. But they have been the sole spokespeople related to such allegations. In my opinion, to produce a proper NPOV encyclopedia article, one should not simply take two individual's quotes at face value. We aren't a collector of primary information (or quotes from newspapers) – that is what newspapers and scholars do. We don't judge what others say to be true or false – that is what scholars and experts do. What we do is produce an encyclopedia, which relies upon reliable, verifiable sources, generally from respected scholars, books or, in the case of modern or popular culture, leading publications in those areas. Many of our popular or modern culture articles have significant coverage in more than one newspaper. The allegations discussed here appear only to be mentioned in the Fiji Sun.
 * Based upon the abject lack of sources; upon the notion that we are an encyclopedia, not a soap box for the unscrutinized POVs of two individuals; and upon the notion that we should not compile quotes and suggest that they are "true", as that is the role of scholars and experts (upon whose work we base ours), I recommend that this article be deleted. --Iamunknown 15:51, 6 August 2007 (UTC)


 * Delete. Claims of adequate sourcing notwithstanding, the vast majority of this article is indeed unsourced and does appear to be largely original research.  As Radiant! points out, these kinds of "allegations of" articles are a dangerous precedent - and this one here is no different.  It is primarily a POV/soapbox type article that lends far too much undue weight to the subject. ɑʀкʏɑɴ 16:00, 6 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete: Let's review.  (1)  We have an article that mirrors an already existing one, which is (2) almost completely unsourced, and lacks any sources we can readily verify, and (3) makes some serious allegations against a number of living people.  Failing WP:V and WP:BLP should be good enough, and this absolutely blows holes right through WP:SOAP.    Ravenswing  17:38, 6 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete: as per Arkyan & Ravenswing and is a clear violation of WP:NPOV Harlowraman 20:04, 6 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete POV fork. Golfcam 18:37, 6 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete What I see here is that this is one of 11 articles about a coup d'etat seven years ago. Not that I want to prevent someone from recording a major event in the history of Fiji, but at 850,000 people, it's about the size of Detroit; and we're getting an article the size of the Warren Commission Report.  Give it a rest. Mandsford 23:31, 6 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete for disproportionate inadequately sourced BLP  detail. This should be extended to the other subsidiary articles DGG (talk) 07:02, 7 August 2007 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.