Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Allegations of Satanism in popular culture


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.  

The result was Delete As it stands, this article is essentially a list with an introduction. The introduction recapitulates information available at Satanic ritual abuse. The list links to individual articles whose "Satanic" elements vary widely: it strains the imagination to put Crowley and Pokemon on the same list. While the list has references, individual items are not justified on the basis of those. Finally, as virtually everyone agrees, the article's name is unwieldly, making its scope difficult to discern. Since all meaningful content exists elsewhere, merging is unneeded; no single redirect target seems obvious. Xoloz 14:58, 18 May 2007 (UTC)

Allegations of Satanism in popular culture

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Where do I start? Original research? Not refererenced. Satan-cruft. What is this? -Docg 23:24, 4 May 2007 (UTC) 
 * Weak Delete but definitely Rename - this seems impossible to source correctly, or even to discern what this article is about. It claims to be about "Allegations of Satanism in popular culture" - so I would presume it to be about that topic.  But it's not - instead, it looks like it's a list of things in popular culture, which have been accused of being Satanic.  Putting aside the poorly named article, there doesn't appear to be any discernible criteria for what makes an "allegation" encyclopedic.  Apparently, according to this article, any random email chain letter can be a credible "allegation".  How about any random preacher?  Does that make an allegation?  This article needs a total overhaul - it needs to decide what its about, and then it needs to get some serious sourcing, since this stuff is borderline libelous. --Haemo 07:25, 5 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Merge into Moral panic Will (is it can be time for messages now plz?) 11:41, 5 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Merge as per above. Roger Danger Field 13:37, 9 May 2007 (UTC)
 * keep or merge - it is one of my goals in life to be able to create a good article on this topic. There are literally thousands of "Allegations of Satanism" that have been made against someone or other, just over the past 50 years, and I would love to collect that all into one huge article under this banner. (You'll have to wait though - I'm not going to take on a job like that until I retire!) For the time being, though, this isn't much of an article. I also would like to suggest, though, that "allegations of Satanism" is well-differentiable from "moral panics" in general, as there is a religious and authoritarian element to Satan-fear-mongering that you won't find in other moral panics like Penis-melting Zionist robot combs. However, this particular article seems quite anorexic now, so if somebody would rather just copy and paste the content into an "Allegations of Satanism" subheading in Moral panic, I could see the merit in doing that instead. AllGloryToTheHypnotoad 01:28, 12 May 2007 (UTC)
 *  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so that consensus may be reached  Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks,


 * I discounted the merge to Moral panic as the subjects dont appear to be sufficiently related Gnangarra 09:48, 12 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete - indiscriminate unsourced list. Otto4711 20:41, 12 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete as an uncited and utterly unmaintainable list. I also allege that this AfD listing is, itself, satanic. There. Another item to add to the article. Hmm, I seemed to have spawned a recursive....... [ Write error: Wikipedia full. ] -- MarcoTolo 22:35, 12 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Don't laugh. Church of Satan people around here have AfDed articles dealing with Satanism before. AllGloryToTheHypnotoad 23:40, 12 May 2007 (UTC)


 * Rename in any case. It sounds like it's saying that there are allegations that popular culture itself is Satanic in general (and this belief does exist modernly, and may very well be notable). And it's horribly biased towards modern American allegations of Satanism, when the fear that certain things might be associated with Satan or a Satanic cult has existed for almost 2,000 years and in dozens if not hundreds of countries. "Popular culture" also does not mean "20th-21st century American culture". The phrase means "the culture of the common people", not "what's popular or known in the US these days". -- Charlene 04:13, 13 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete what's next Allegation of Christianity in popular culture? Carlossuarez46 19:03, 13 May 2007 (UTC)
 * comment There normally isn't a moral panic around Christians - unless, maybe, in ancient Rome. Perhaps this is properly mergeable into moral panic, but specific in that Satanism was the global conspiracy/mental degeneracy that people were accused of taking part in. Anyway, it's not much of an article right now. AllGloryToTheHypnotoad 01:15, 15 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Question moral panic is defined as  a reaction by a group of people based on the false or exaggerated perception... yet this article doesnt address any group reaction, all it does is list some popular cultural entertainment, without any context. What I'm seeing is a WP:SYNTH and its inclusion into moral panic would create a section of original research. Can you explain here how and why these two articles are sufficiently related to warrant merging, how will this improve the moral panic article? Gnangarra 01:43, 15 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Yes, to the extent that it repeats allegations made by demagogues, it's not worthy of merging. However, there have been some "allegations of satanism" that became moral panics - like the 1980's Satanic panic (see Michelle Remembers and Bob Larson and the various "Satanic Nursery School" articles). I dunno, I'm on the fence about this, but this particular article if not sourced and not substantial probably can just go in the bin. However, Wikipedia should make sure that it doesn't retain a prejudice against the article so that it may be re-created in the future, when someone starts doing a proper article on the topic. My main point is, a proper article can be done. AllGloryToTheHypnotoad 12:59, 16 May 2007 (UTC)


 * Del...erg...Keep...no, Delete!... Silence mortal! I am Zorlog, high demon of the fifth dimension, possessing this weak coporeal being and I say Keep this information that glorifies our dark lord... what the? I feel... so... cold... --Infrangible 19:35, 13 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Keep, useful list for a non-minor element of popular culture. Mikael GRizzly 13:06, 16 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete Allegations??? It almost sounds like a way around WP:BIO to me. Knock this one out as any other page about allegations should be. Slavlin 21:44, 16 May 2007 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.