Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Allegations of fraud involving Chinese stocks


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   delete. Black Kite (t) (c) 15:07, 3 September 2011 (UTC)

Allegations of fraud involving Chinese stocks

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Originally titled "China Stock Frauds." Essentially an attack page, written for the purpose of denigrating the companies contained therein. I've retitled the article, deleted some of the worst stuff here and raised concerns regarding this article a long time ago, but the creators have been unable to rectify them. The content of the article is derived mainly from research reports written by and for short sellers, and seems designed less to be informative than to knock the companies mentioned here. Figureofnine (talk • contribs) 14:56, 19 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Business-related deletion discussions.  —Tom Morris (talk) 15:55, 19 August 2011 (UTC)


 * Keep. The controversies about the companies have generated enough media attention to be notable. Eastmain (talk • contribs) 16:25, 19 August 2011 (UTC)
 * I withheld nominating this article for deletion for months out of that same belief. Unfortunately, this article is not the way to go. Remember that it was originally titled "China stock frauds," and I encountered resistance even with that obvious and necessary renaming. The intent of creating this article was not to explore a controversy but to denigrate certain named stocks, and efforts to improve this article, by myself and another editor, have not been sufficient to exorcise this article of its issues. Figureofnine (talk • contribs) 16:44, 19 August 2011 (UTC)


 * Users commenting in this discussion might also want to comment on Articles for deletion/S-Chips Scandals and Articles for deletion/P Chips Frauds, which are related. Cheers.  lifebaka++ 16:29, 19 August 2011 (UTC)


 * Merge* Summarize and merge into reverse-split article. The article comes across more of a laundry list of company names than anything else.  Concerns and questions have been raised on the talk page with minimal changes resulting.  There might be something here, but I don't have the time to really dig it out and the primary author doesn't seem interested beyond getting company names out with vaguely-sourced allegations, POV commentary and WP:SYNTH sections.  Ravensfire ( talk ) 14:58, 22 August 2011 (UTC)
 * And absolutely concur with Figureofnine's last comment about the sources. Ravensfire ( talk ) 15:00, 22 August 2011 (UTC)


 * Comment Allegations are not facts. The Wiki is about facts.--User:Warrior777 (talk) 08:18, 23 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of China-related deletion discussions.  —Michaela den (talk) 10:19, 25 August 2011 (UTC)


 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.


 * Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Ron Ritzman (talk) 00:27, 26 August 2011 (UTC)


 * Delete - Nation-by-nation articles about corporate fraud would be as relevant as having "Allegations of fraud involving recreation golf players." If there are specific newsworthy frauds, they deserve their own articles, like Enron and Bernie Madoff (who do not get lumped in "Allegations of fraud involving US stocks" articles). The present article, though, is an attack on generic "Chinese companies", painting a very broad brush that colors many highly ethical corporations that just happen to share the same national base. Bella the Ball (talk) 15:49, 26 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Keep. These controversies have significant media attention world wide. Do not merge into reverse merger article because the existence of these companies are not exclusive of that nature. Market participants have recognized the allegations as facts and, thus, significant stock price drops have ocurred. The analogy to "golf players" is incorrect because companies involve many people: directors, employees, shareholders, suppliers, customers, and significant amounts of money have been used in their operation and financing, which have been provided by bankers, investors and even governments. Relevant authorities in North America have issued warnings to investors, launched investigations, ordered trading freezes, among others. Major stock exchanges (NYSE, Nasdaq) have ordered delistings. Censoredchinese (talk) 19:39, 29 August 2011 (UTC)


 * Delete. The article does not seem to be neutral; significant portions have sources of unclear reliability (or no sources at all); the allegations made in the article are in many cases still in dispute (but the article doesn't convey this).  Everything that is not solidly substantiated should be removed, and unless what is left is notable in some way, the entire article should go.   Rich wales (talk · contribs) 06:02, 3 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Delete. Written like a news story, in a non-neutral tone ("The stubbornness of some Western speculators (possibly resulting from a combination of "greater fool" theory and magical thinking) appears to have mirrored the outlook of ordinary Chinese investors, ..."). Possibly this event deserves coverage in Wikipedia somehow, but not like this.  Sandstein   06:18, 3 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Delete. Not encyclopedic with the topic or how it is covered. Szzuk (talk) 13:07, 3 September 2011 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.