Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Allegations of state terrorism by United States of America (3rd nomination)


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.  

The result was SPEEDY KEEP per WP:SNOW and WP:POINT. -Docg 18:42, 11 January 2007 (UTC)

Allegations of state terrorism by United States of America (3rd nomination)

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For same reasons that US Democratic Party-Iranian fundraising controversy is being put up for deletion (as per corresponding deletion votes by liberally oriented votestackers). If that one goes, so does this one. See WP:BIAS and WP:NPOV - no single POV should hold sway and so far we are seeing an anti-American, pro-liberal bias here and selective deletion of articles. Khodavand 12:48, 11 January 2007 (UTC)


 * Keep & Close Its been less than a month since the last AfD. Nothing has changed. ... Kafkaesque Seabhcan 13:27, 11 January 2007 (UTC)


 * Speedy Keep as per WP:SNOW. Passed Afd with flying colours less than a month ago. Article is a spin-off of List of acts labelled as state terrorism sorted by state and is heavily sourced. Nomination seems to be a WP:POINT concerning editor's issues with unrelated articles.--Zleitzen 14:01, 11 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Speedy Keep For above. Also. This is the 3rd nom. Renaming. See article talk... F.F.McGurk 14:22, 11 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Funny how you deleted my reasons - that's vandalism. Anyway its also funny how you vote to delete the allegations against the US Democratic Party. Do I see a cabal of leftist/liberal editors here??? Votestacking, anyone??? Khodavand 18:18, 11 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Speedy Keep and Rename -- ideology and AfD processes aside, the title is confusing -- is the article referring to allegations by the U.S of others' state terrorism ... or allegations by others of U.S.-sponsored state terrorism? The answer, of course, is the latter. The "See Also" section has a link to U.S. list of state sponsors of international terrorism but I think that should also be included in some sort of disambiguation statement with link at the top of this article. Perhaps a better title here would be "Allegations of U.S.-sponsored state terrorism" or "Allegations of U.S. government-sponsored terrorism". As for my "speedy keep" recommendation, that's based on the short interval since the last AfD. Unless there was a process problem the last time (sockpuppetry, votestacking, etc.), I think it's wrong to push another AfD so soon. (If there was a process problem last time that's not mentioned here, please spell it out and I will reconsider). --A. B. (talk) 14:52, 11 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Comment -- for convenience, here are relevant links to the article, previous AfDs and associated talk pages:
 * Allegations of state terrorism by United States of America -- article covered by this AfD
 * Talk:Allegations of state terrorism by United States of America -- note that there are 5 archived talk pages as well
 * Articles for deletion/Allegations of state terrorism by United States of America -- 12 December 2006 AfD ... result: keep
 * Articles for deletion/State terrorism by United States of America -- 14 August 2006 AfD ... result: no consensus
 * Wikipedia talk:Articles for deletion/State terrorism by United States of America -- 14 August 2006 AfD talk page
 * Talk:American terrorism -- the article American terrorism was merged into this article 14 August 2006)
 * --A. B. (talk) 15:13, 11 January 2007 (UTC)


 * Speedy keep I was just in the process of unwatching this page, I never really thought much of this page in many respects, truth be told, and now a third deletion. Looks like I have to watch the page again, more drama.  This page needs major work, but people's ideologies block any progress, one way or the other. As long as this article has this name, it will be a lightning rod of controversy. I tried to change the name a million times, but Herding cats makes me want to slit my wrists. Nuclear once said he would never allow me to change the name, but he has recently changed in surprising ways.  Maybe we can get a name change. SUGGESTED COMPRIMISE: I don't suppose User:Khodavand would close the AfD if we can agree on a name change? Best wishes, Travb (talk) 17:52, 11 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Rutabaga Not likley to be deleted. Hipocrite - &laquo; Talk &raquo; 18:15, 11 January 2007 (UTC)
 * For instance above user votes to speedy delete the article I mention below. Amazing. Again, WP:BIAS. You guys could try to at least not be so transparent. Khodavand 18:23, 11 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Comment According to reasons stated on Articles for deletion/US Democratic Party-Iranian fundraising controversy these types of articles are not allowed on WP. They want strongly to delete that article but I see similar people here voting strongly to keep this one. This is called WP:BIAS - you can't have it both ways folks. Khodavand 18:19, 11 January 2007 (UTC)
 * With respect, Khodavand, the only connection I can see between that article and this, is you. These articles are in no way similar, and do not form a 'type' of article.... Kafkaesque Seabhcan 18:26, 11 January 2007 (UTC)


 * Yes they are. Both are about allegations. Yours is a straw man argument. Give it up and admit that if you accept their argument on that AfD, then this one has to go too. Also if you say that article is OR, then this article is ridiculously in violation of WP:NOR. Khodavand 18:35, 11 January 2007 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.