Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Allen Escadrille


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   keep. No arguments for deletion aside from the nominator. Whether or not the article should be merged or redirected can continue on the article's talk page. (non-admin closure) Ron Ritzman (talk) 00:19, 5 May 2010 (UTC)

Allen Escadrille

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I can't find significant coverage for this high school marching band. They won an award, but I don't think that it is a major award. Joe Chill (talk) 00:28, 28 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Weak Keep per this and this (both articles in the Dallas Morning News), per here (Marching.com, sourcing the Dallas News) and the same story appearing here, in the Denton Record-Chronicle. - DustFormsWords (talk) 00:53, 28 April 2010 (UTC)
 * I think that those sources are very close to local, but I'll let others decide. Joe Chill (talk) 00:56, 28 April 2010 (UTC)
 * The Dallas Morning News services the entire Dallas, Texas area with around a quarter of a million subscribers, so it seems to be of at least city-wide interest, rather than community-wide. The Denton Record-Chronicle is much smaller but the fact that it (and Marching.com) picked up the story shows that the band is of wider interest than local-only. - DustFormsWords (talk) 01:05, 28 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Bands and musicians-related deletion discussions.  -- NotAnonymous0 did I err?|Contribs 03:26, 28 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Texas-related deletion discussions.  -- NotAnonymous0 did I err?|Contribs 03:26, 28 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Strong Keep - meets or exceeds WP:CLUB as the scope of this escadrille is both national and international. Citations have been provided to show that it has received independent coverage from a Dutch URL and from other sources that have Wikipedia articles. It has participated overseas in Dublin, Ireland and U.S. national parades to include Macy's Thanksgiving Day and the Tournament of Roses Parade. In addition, a citation has been introduced for the award of the the Sudler Shield given by the John Phillip Sousa Foundation. --Morenooso (talk) 05:12, 28 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Comment - While I'm still in favour of "keep", that Dutch site doesn't constitute significant coverage; Allen are only mentioned in the final line of the article. It also doesn't demonstrate international scope; the article is talking about their actions within America. - DustFormsWords (talk) 05:43, 28 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Note - Strong Keep is a definite stretch, although I'm willing to say keep, but let's keep our advocacy within reasonable bounds, otherwise we begin to doubt each other's explanations. Shadowjams (talk) 08:53, 28 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Comment - Strong keep is used in AfDs. I regularly participate and referenced the applicable WP criteria for WP:CLUB. If you click on WP:CLUB, you will see the first criteria for notability says the scope of their activities is national or international in scale. The second criteria is met by the citations. --Morenooso (talk) 09:22, 28 April 2010 (UTC)


 * Keep - (in case my keep in the comment above was hidden). Shadowjams (talk) 00:47, 29 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Redirect or Smerge (selectively merge) to Allen High School (Allen, Texas), which already has a paragraph about the band. Many high school athletic teams, clubs or musical groups get coverage in the local or state newspapers, and if they have funding, high school bands go on trips like this one. It is worth mentioning in Wikipedia in the article about the high school of which it is one activity. High school or college musical groups have not generally been kept in AFD based on such weak referencing as this. Edison (talk) 14:39, 28 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Keep The sources demonstrate adequate notability. Colonel Warden (talk) 19:55, 30 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Keep Google news and Google book search have some results. The Dallas news coverage is sufficient to convince me though.   D r e a m Focus  23:44, 30 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Keep - Information about the organization and its activities have been verified by multiple, third-party, independent, reliable sources. Andy14and16 (talk) 05:37, 4 May 2010 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.