Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Allen High School

Allen High School was proposed for deletion. This page is an archive of the discussion about the proposed deletion. This page is no longer live. Further comments should be made on the article's talk page rather than here so that this page is preserved as an historic record. The result of the debate was keep

Allen High School
Nothing on the page suggests this school is notable. Edward 15:09, 28 Nov 2004 (UTC)
 * Delete. Non-notable.  --Idont Havaname 18:10, 28 Nov 2004 (UTC)
 * Delete - Wikipedia is not a web directory of schools. -- Cyrius|✎ 18:34, 28 Nov 2004 (UTC)
 * Borderline keep - David Gerard 20:52, 28 Nov 2004 (UTC)
 * Delete - non-notable, like most schools including the ones I've attended. - Cdc 21:11, 28 Nov 2004 (UTC)
 * Delete. Non-notable. Gamaliel 21:17, 28 Nov 2004 (UTC)
 * delete no sign of vecoming valuable content Mozzerati 23:06, 2004 Nov 28 (UTC) keep continued human rights violations make this worthy of a place in Wikipedia.  Mozzerati 13:59, 2004 Dec 4 (UTC)
 * Keep. Cyrius is not making the rules round here. Dr Zen 00:55, 29 Nov 2004 (UTC)
 * Delete: Dr Zen isn't offering a rationale, but, instead, trying to taunt voters. Inferior entry on a school that is improperly named.  Nothing is gained by its presence except the joy of vanity. Geogre 03:26, 29 Nov 2004 (UTC)
 * I think you ought to cease coattailing me, Geogre. It needs to be pointed out that the pompous pronouncements of those who want to delete whatever they do not personally approve of are not in fact policy here. Dr Zen 03:29, 29 Nov 2004 (UTC)
 * What you think of me is irrelevant. As for "following you," that's dangerously close to a paranoid view.  I do hope you can participate in the project with more equanimity, with less shouting at people who nominate articles for deletion, and, most of all, that you begin reading the articles you are voting on and offering a rationale.  Please look at the contents of this article and give a reason why it should be in the encyclopedia, and do not try to shift the burden over to everyone else to demonstrate some reason why it can't be in.  Explain why this belongs.  We are not Everything2.  Geogre 07:08, 29 Nov 2004 (UTC)
 * I think your lectures border on abuse, Geogre. Luckily, I'm a big boy and I can take it. I hope you don't employ this attitude with more sensitive editors though. Explain why this belongs? The article is about a school. Dr Zen 06:34, 30 Nov 2004 (UTC)
 * Again, your opinions of me are irrelevant. Hijacking a VfD to talk about voters or nominators is trolling.  You are currently up to how many -- five -- Wikipedia administrators and long time editors who you claim "troll you" and "follow you" and should not post on your Talk page?  I'm not sure you are a big boy or that you "can take it."  In fact, what I see is a string of abuse of VfD and Wikipedians and then running away, only to complain again and again.  As I have said before, one should try for an amicable solution and then proceed to RfC.  I should be happy to see the RfC that you open on me, Tu ba, Everyking, or whoever else you deem to be hurting you.  Additionally, I would really quite enjoy the RfC opened on you.  I don't consider you important enough, in yourself, to worry with.  I am glad, however, that you have finally offered a rationale for why you think the article belongs.  "It" is a school.  Well, "It" is an article.  The school is the school.  Words refer, you see.  The school belongs in Allen, Texas, I'm sure, but does this article belong on Wikipedia?  The article is not the school.  The article is a single predicate nominative.  Such "articles" do not belong on Wikipedia no matter the things they talk about. Geogre 15:25, 30 Nov 2004 (UTC)
 * Coattailing me and haranguing me, accusing me of "abuse" because I do not agree with you, and making veiled threats against me: none of this will induce me to change my vote on this or any other article. Lectures on linguistics will, though, cause gales of laughter on my part. And I like to laugh. I have no problem with "Tu ba", Everyking or anyone else, Geogre, because in each case I can happily disagree with them and move on. You, however, are indulging in a crusade, which is unpleasant and petty. Yet again, I ask you to cease and I will do my part by not fuelling your fire any further.Dr Zen 00:16, 1 Dec 2004 (UTC)
 * "Coattailing?" Look through this page.  See how many entries I vote on.  It's inevitable that, if you vote on any -- and you only seem to when you think you have a chance to abuse a vote and accuse a longtime editor of being bad in some way -- then you and I are going to be on the same.  So, let's keep a count of how many editors you tell never to post on your Talk page ever again.  (As for the lecture, some people need to remember that words are not things.  I hope you took it to heart.)  Please cease abusing VfD nominators and voters, refrain from personal attacks on VfD nominators and voters, and stop calling everyone who accuses you of incivility a "troll."  Also, again, I urge you to stop complaining and start writing.  Edit these articles.  Make them better.  Write new articles.  Contribute in some way besides abuse.  Geogre 03:24, 1 Dec 2004 (UTC)
 * To put it accurately, little is gained by its presence here. Nothing is gained by deleting it.  Keep.  --L33tminion | (talk) 06:35, Nov 29, 2004 (UTC)
 * Let's read it together, folks, "Allen High School is the only high school in Allen, Texas." That's it.  That's the content.  That's 100% of it.  Now, don't you feel like you've learned a lot about the school?  It's notable, right?  Because it's....a high school.  Explain why this information could not be in a List article.
 * keep and expand. Notability is subjective. Stop deleting school articles.  ~leif &#9786; HELO 05:59, 29 Nov 2004 (UTC)
 * Keep the article on the only school in Allen, Texas. &mdash;[[en:RaD Man|RaD Man (talk)]] 06:07, 29 Nov 2004 (UTC)
 * Merge into Allen, Texas. Schools are too common to be per se notable, but for small towns with just one school, the town article is a fine place to mention the school. (In general, I think articles like this should be called Allen High School (Allen, Texas) since there are certainly other Allen High Schools - in fact, the one in Allentown PA shows up first on Google.) --jpgordon{gab} 07:20, 29 Nov 2004 (UTC)
 * Merge into Allen, Texas. The Steve  09:29, Nov 29, 2004 (UTC)
 * Keep and expand I think that I was the one who originally created this article with the hope that someone who attended Allen High School would come along and beef it up. I didn't attend Allen High; I went to a school in Plano that has been around since 1899. I'd like to see a page about my school. I think there's enough information about any school if you get someone who attended/taught there to author it. I just updated the site with some released statistics from their website.--129.116.45.238 11:20, 29 Nov 2004 (UTC)
 * Merge into Allen, Texas and delete. If it is the only school, it could be better treated in the context of the whole community. - Skysmith 12:28, 29 Nov 2004 (UTC)
 * Keep - SimonP 17:35, Nov 29, 2004 (UTC)
 * Keep --[[User:GRider|GRider\talk]] 18:39, 29 Nov 2004 (UTC)
 * keep I agree with others that high schools should be notable. Generally hundreds or thousands of students graduate from any given school every year.  Maybe not of interest to all, but certainly of interest to some.  The beauty of keeping such an article is that if someone is looking for that info it will be available, and if not, they will never see it and never be impacted by its presence. -- WhiteDragon 01:02, 30 Nov 2004 (UTC)
 * This is a hypothesis not a fact. I think it's correct; almost certainly Allen High school has influenced someone important's life.  This means it is currently at the level of "Einstein was a jewish guy who survived the war because he moved away from Germany before".   Our article is completely inaccurate because it misses the point; a school should be notable for something and we don't know what it is.  By deleting it, we gain an increase in the level of accuracy of Wikipedia.  If you can turn it into an article equivalent to "Einstein was a jewish guy who discovered something important called relativity(see the Sun, 2002/02/03) but I don't have a clue what that means" or better then we can vote keep an try to fix it up.  Working on the theory that most school's should be notable; non-notable almost certainly means wrong and deleting this or fixing it up will improve wikipedia..   Mozzerati 09:23, 2004 Dec 4 (UTC)
 * furthermore, in my opinion, given just a small amount of work, prior to putting in the keep votes, someone could find the human rights violations that I've found and make this into an encyclopedic article. VfD should be about making consensus by trying to prove the point.  I'm not sure that these human rights violations are "notable" but I am sure that I'd rather not have the article than have it with this kind of fundamental information completely missing.  It wasn't a "stub" it was a "infra-sub-stub".  Mozzerati 13:59, 2004 Dec 4 (UTC)


 * merge to Allen, Texas. -- Jmabel | Talk 02:43, Nov 30, 2004 (UTC)
 * Delete. Not notable. --Improv 07:03, 30 Nov 2004 (UTC)
 * Merge or keep, I really don't care which. Obviously the redirect should not be deleted, that'd be pointless. anthony 警告 01:42, 1 Dec 2004 (UTC)
 * Keep I agree with WhiteDragon. --ShaunMacPherson 07:59, 1 Dec 2004 (UTC)
 * Delete. Not notable. Indrian 05:12, Dec 2, 2004 (UTC)
 * Keep - notablity not a deletion criteria. Intrigue 23:26, 2 Dec 2004 (UTC)
 * Merge with Allen, Texas. There is nothing inherently notable about the school itself.  It only makes sense to mention the school in the article about the town.  And why shouldn't articles about schools be deleted?  Very few high schools are notable enough to be in an encyclopedia. --L. Pistachio 03:40, Dec 3, 2004 (UTC)
 * Very few people seem to realise that 'notablity' is not a criteria for inclusion. Intrigue 21:10, 3 Dec 2004 (UTC)
 * And just as few people do not realize that notability is inherent in encyclopedic content so that not notable means not encyclopedic, which is a criteria. A school database or a yellow pages or maybe some kind of crazy almanac could include this information, but an encyclopedia should not. Indrian 01:51, Dec 4, 2004 (UTC)


 * sorry but there is far too many schools being kept (in my opinion)because its the only one on town or largest in the district. my high school is the largest in the district, but thats not enough for inclusion in a encyclopedia delete Fledgeling 01:14, 4 Dec 2004 (UTC)
 * delete. Agree with Fledeling.  &mdash;Lowellian (talk)   03:10, Dec 4, 2004 (UTC)

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