Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Allen Matkins Leck Gamble Mallory & Natsis


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The result was delete. Ad Orientem (talk) 02:37, 13 October 2019 (UTC)

Allen Matkins Leck Gamble Mallory & Natsis

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Despite the passage of time with the template messages on the article, there still seem to be a lack of independent sources to establish the notability of the subject. Bsherr (talk) 14:45, 28 September 2019 (UTC)
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 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Warm Regards, ZI Jony  (Talk) 17:08, 5 October 2019 (UTC)
 * Delete Reasonably sized firm but that doesn't automatically confer notability. I am unable to locate any references that meet the criteria for establishing notability but if any turns up, I'm happy to look at them. Until then, topic fails GNG and WP:NCORP.  HighKing++ 18:35, 10 October 2019 (UTC)
 * Strong Delete Fails WP:NCORP.  scope_creep Talk  00:53, 11 October 2019 (UTC)


 * Comment: Pinging November 2011 Articles for deletion/Allen Matkins Leck Gamble Mallory & Natsis LLP participants who are active: and . Cunard (talk) 09:04, 12 October 2019 (UTC)


 * Keep per 's comment at the November 2011 Articles for deletion/Allen Matkins Leck Gamble Mallory & Natsis LLP: "They are reasonably large and well-known, especially in Southern California, where the business pages regularly cover the comings and goings of their attorneys and, perhaps more significantly, report on them as one of the more significant firms. I agree that a lot of what comes up in searches is marketing material, but there's also significant independent coverage: for example, a 2009 report on their cuts in associate salaries as setting a trend for the profession; a 2005 report that Anaheim would be hiring them as outside counsel to deal with the NFL; a 1993 report including them as one of the significant SoCal law firms leading a then-popular trend of opening offices in Mexico. There are certainly other law firms out there that have a higher public profile, but I think Allen Matkins gets enough." Here are more sources I found:  According to The Wall Street Journal in this article, "Lawyers looking for the scoop on the nation's biggest law firms now have a place to go. The newest edition of Vault Inc.'s Guide to the Top 100 Law Firms, which hit bookshelves Monday, offers the ins and outs from the perspectives of more than 11,000 associates." The book notes: "Twenty-five years ago, Allen Matkins Leck Gamble & Mallory operated out of one small office in Los Angeles and another in Orange County. Today, the firm has over 200 lawyers in six offices throughout California. The firm's specialties are real estate and litigation, but it's also well known for its corporate and hospitality work, while the securities, employment, bankruptcy and tax practices are also quite successful. So successful, in fact, that the firm appears on most of California's top lists, including that of the Los Angeles Business Journal (ranking No. 29 out of the top firms in L.A.), the San Diego Business Journal (ranking No. 18 in the San Diego area) and the Daily Journal (ranking No. 23 out of the top 50 firms in California). The firm has even made The National Law Journal's list of the nation's largest law firms, the NLJ 250, where it currently ranks at No. 192 (up from 197 in 2004). Chambers USA recently ranked Allen Matkins the No. 1 real estate law firm in California. Name partner Michael Matkins was recently listed among the Best in the West, due in no small part to the L.A. office's representation of a joint venture that acquired nearly 150 acres of land for a housing development in the former Ford Ord, near Monterey, Calif. More than 20 government meetings and an additional 60 community meetings occurred before the deal could be completed. Matkins also represented another joint venture in an unusual public-private partnership to modernize the Los Angeles Air Force Base which, according to news reports, was almost closed due to 'significant seismic concerns.' Other notable clients on the firm's roster include Catellus Development Corporation, Wells Fargo Bank, Sares-Regis Group, Marriott International, Fox Entertainment Group, JPMorgan Chase, Washington Mutual, The Home Depot, IKEA and Exxon-Mobil." The book contains perspectives of the firm's associates. I do not have access to the article. I do not have access to the article. I do not have access to the article.<li> The article notes: "Let's get back to the positive, and that would be the innovative use of video deployed by Allen Matkins Leck Gamble Mallory & Natsis, a 240-attorney Los Angeles firm that focuses primarily (although not exclusively) on real estate law and business litigation. The partnership has produced several news- broadcast-style short videos that grab the attention of even the most cynical legal- marketing critic. The professionally crafted video  news  releases  offer  practical  legal  tips, interviews with experts, both legal and  academic, lively caption and graphics, and are narrated by a former TV news reporter. While they promote the firm, they're not about the firm. The VNRs cover topics such as the future of  the California commercial real estate market, the nuances of the Dodd-Frank legislation, new regulations that affect business owners, and other such matters. ... One of  the most compelling videos shows Dr. Eileen Nottoli, an Allen Matkins envi-ronmental  lawyer,  serving  a  several-week  stint as a foster parent for a guide dog for the blind while the Labrador's visually impaired human  partner  recuperates  after  surgery.  Now, viewers learn primarily about the Lab and the idea of foster-parenting, but they also get more than a glimpse into Allen Matkins's community outreach efforts and well, frankly, its compassionate culture. After all, the dog spends his days with the very likeable Nottoli in the Allen Matkins offices in San Francisco." The article contains quotes from Adam Stock, Allen Matkins's chief marketing officer.</li></ol> Cunard (talk) 09:04, 12 October 2019 (UTC)
 * Delete for now. I thank for digging up those sources, but I'd point out to qualify as significant coverage, there has to be at least several independent, reliable, and comprehensive, if not exhaustive, works to establish notability under WP:GNG and WP:NCORP. I may change my vote, but for now, it's a delete, possibly a soft-ish delete, due its state as WP:CORPSPAM. That's not to say someone can't re-create the article, properly sourced, and which establishes its notability, possibly using offline sources. It'll just have to go through AfC, which isn't a bad thing. Doug Mehus (talk) 02:17, 13 October 2019 (UTC)


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