Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Alliance Française de México


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. Vanamonde (Talk) 15:53, 17 September 2021 (UTC)

Alliance Française de México

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Promotionally-written article that relies 100% on primary sources. Speedy deletion was declined but this appears to be WP:SPAM. WaddlesJP13 (talk &#124; contributions) 16:34, 9 August 2021 (UTC)
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 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Mexico-related deletion discussions. WaddlesJP13 (talk &#124; contributions) 16:34, 9 August 2021 (UTC)

Good day. The article has the same structure as the other articles from other French alliances, which speaks of the characteristics of these educational centers. Also, several such as Chicago, San Francisco, and so on, have primary sources. Can you please explain to me why these are not nominated for a speed delete and this one is?--Javier Alejandro Herrera Carvajal (talk) 17:14, 9 August 2021 (UTC)


 * Articles should not 100% rely on primary sources and should have some secondary sources and tertiary sources to verify notability and pass WP:GNG. The reason your article was nominated for deletion is because that was the one that happened to be in the new pages while page reviewing. I took a look just now at the other Alliance Française articles, and those, if not at least some of them, should probably be also considered for deletion, as they're all similarly structured and written and also use only primary sources. WaddlesJP13 (talk &#124; contributions) 17:39, 9 August 2021 (UTC)


 * Okay, so on my part, I don't see why to keep the page. I looked for third-party sources, all of them talk about courses at a commercial level, and not about the importance of the Alliance Française of Mexico City as an institution. I do not see any future for the article fallowing the rules described. If you could be so kind, what advice would you give me to improve the way to write such kind of articles in the future. I think you mentioned at the beginning that the article is written as promotional. My intention is to create articles that describe French alliances from diverse regions, not to create publicity.


 * Any advice I can give you on improving writing articles like this is to check out the general notability guidelines and the notability guidelines for organizations as well as the Wikipedia manual of style for improving structure if needed. Writing articles on organizations, companies, products, media, and people is much stricter than doing so for species, places, minerals and chemicals etc. since the topics rely on secondary sources and tertiary sources whereas the latter can easily be created with scientific descriptions, GNIS IDs, etc. as references. WaddlesJP13 (talk &#124; contributions) 18:29, 9 August 2021 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Extraordinary Writ (talk) 22:55, 16 August 2021 (UTC)

For anyone who can intervene and have an opinion. I suggest allowing the presence on Wikipedia to this page for its non-negotiable encyclopedic content about an organization of cultural exchange as obvious as the French alliance, and one of the first French alliances outside of France. I suggest adding the "" tag as do the Alliance Française of Washington, the Alliance Française of San Francisco, and the Alliance Française of Chicago.--Javier Alejandro Herrera Carvajal (talk) 12:22, 18 August 2021 (UTC)  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, North America1000 09:45, 24 August 2021 (UTC)  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus. Relisting comment: Bold third relist to try and garner more input.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Daniel (talk) 09:22, 4 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete Sourced entirely to WP:PRIMARY sources and not evidence of independent coverage in reliable sources. Eggishorn  (talk) (contrib) 06:29, 7 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Comment: I have added a non-primary reference, "Políticas culturales francesas en México" by Carlos Augusto Torres-Zetina, which contains several pages discussing the history of this organisation. AllyD (talk) 17:21, 9 September 2021 (UTC)
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 * Weak keep: If seen purely as a language lesson centre, this may appear like non-encyclopaedic spam, however there is more to this long-standing AF institute. I added several references, the most substantial being Torres-Zetina's journal article. Its references also indicate coverage in Chaubet's 2006 book "La politique culturelle Française et la diplomatie de la langue: l’Alliance Française (1883-1940)",and there is also available Dumont's 2018 Sorbonne thesis on "La politique culturelle du réseau Alliance Française mexicain et l’image de la France et de la culture française", though that is by someone who worked there. Overall, I think there is just about enough for WP:NORG. AllyD (talk) 11:03, 10 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Weak keep per AllyD.4meter4 (talk) 16:23, 12 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete. There is evidence that the place exists, but not that the place is notable. The new independent sources are not strong enough to establish notability. One appears to be a university essay, the second is a local article about art cinemas in Mexico City, one of which is run by Alliance Française de México, the third is a press release about a music festival which is organised by the Alliance. These are not sources strong enough to establish notability - particularly a global notability. My suggestion is that anything interesting can be mentioned in the parent article Alliance française. SilkTork (talk) 11:35, 13 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete fails WP:ORG. Sources are weak for establishing notability. LibStar (talk) 04:30, 14 September 2021 (UTC)


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