Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Alliance of Socialists and Democrats for Europe


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The result was   keep. Satisfies WP:CRYSTAL. – Juliancolton  &#124; Talk 00:06, 22 June 2009 (UTC)

Alliance of Socialists and Democrats for Europe

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Wikipedia is not a crystal ball - the org does not yet exist  Chzz  ►  20:16, 14 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Politics-related deletion discussions.  -- TexasAndroid (talk) 20:54, 14 June 2009 (UTC)
 * This is an odd situation. It seems that the Party of European Socialists is changing its name and expanding its membership. The Alliance of Socialists and Democrats for Europe is not a new organisation but an evolution of the existing one so I don't see any need for two articles. The change is already covered in Party of European Socialists so there is nothing here that needs to be merged. If the name change is already effective then this article should be deleted and Party of European Socialists moved to "Alliance of Socialists and Democrats for Europe". If not then this article should be redirected to Party of European Socialists which should be moved over the redirect once the new name is in use. --DanielRigal (talk) 22:03, 14 June 2009 (UTC)
 * As I understand it thus far, it is just the European parliamentary group which is changing its name, not the European political party. Currently, we have one article (Party of European Socialists) to cover both the Europarl group and Europarty - rather an anomaly on Wikipedia, as there currently is separate articles for groupings and parties, e.g. EPP-ED (group) and EPP (party). I oppose the deletion of the Alliance of Socialists and Democrats for Europe article, as by having a separate article for the europarl grouping, Wikipedia's coverage of the PES/ASDE is kept in line with its coverage of the other EU political families. --Autospark (talk) 22:35, 14 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Thanks for clarifying that. I misread the PES article and didn't pick up on the distinction between PES and PSE. It is even more confusing than I thought! The PES is the PES and stays the same while the PSE is becoming the ASDE. Now I understand that, I can see that it makes sense to have an article about each one. This should be done by splitting the PES article to move the content about the PSE/ASDE to here. Obviously there needs to be a here to move it to so that means keep. --DanielRigal (talk) 23:03, 14 June 2009 (UTC)


 * Keep per the above, obviously. The organisation may not yet exist, but it's firmly planned to be created, so it's obviously encyclopedic. — Nightstallion 07:52, 16 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Keep organization has been formed see here C mon (talk) 16:27, 16 June 2009 (UTC)
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