Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Allied Wallet (3rd nomination)


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The result was keep. Davewild (talk) 06:50, 15 May 2015 (UTC)

Allied Wallet
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Bringing this to AfD per the deletion review at Deletion review/Log/2015 April 23. This is a purely administrative action; I offer no opinion on the outcome. -- RoySmith (talk) 00:17, 1 May 2015 (UTC)
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 * Keep sources provided by Cunard has established notability. Tone is now sufficiently neutral, this could have always been cleaned up. Valoem   talk   contrib  02:51, 1 May 2015 (UTC)
 * Delete (and for the satisfaction of Spartaz who thought I was canvassed like the last time, I repeat, I was not; this was encountered on the daily AfD log) Once again I repeat my rationale from the last nom; no improvement from the first nom at all, and not really talking about the business more than impressive financial figures and company perks of no interest to the average reader. Also private company so no financials can be ascertained.  Nate  • ( chatter ) 03:57, 1 May 2015 (UTC)
 * Keep, passes WP:GNG in its current form. Stifle (talk) 07:03, 1 May 2015 (UTC)
 * Keep The earlier nomination complained about COI, but as this was posted as an Draft by the COI writer, that meets our guidelines. The article itself has been improved since this 3rd nomination to make notability more clear. I have never heard of the trade papers in the citations, but I have heard of the US District Attorney, so I added a link. The COI editor might be disappointed that the company is most notable for handing online gambling funds over to the US government. Hroðulf (or Hrothulf) (Talk) 10:07, 1 May 2015 (UTC)
 * Delete Most of the sources in the article fail WP:CORPDEPTH, and in fact many of them are press releases, and thus are not reliable. A google search shows that many of the articles on the subject are press releases sourced to the company itself. If you look, there's even a notice at the bottom of the marketwatch article making it clear: "The Marketwatch News Department was not involved in the creation of the content." Pishcal  — ♣
 * I agree that all three of the sources you listed are press releases. But they are sources I did not add to the article (they were already there to verify uncontroversial facts), and I am not using those press releases to establish notability. I am instead using coverage in independent reliable sources to establish notability. Subject-specific notability guidelines like Notability (organizations and companies) do not need to be considered when Notability is met. Per Notability (my bolding): "A topic is presumed to merit an article if: 1. It meets either the general notability guideline below or the criteria outlined in a subject-specific guideline listed in the box on the right. 2. It is not excluded under the What Wikipedia is not policy." Cunard (talk) 18:24, 1 May 2015 (UTC)
 * Most of the sources are indeed the company's own press releases, or appear to be. Having discarded those, there are probably 2 or 3 left that are relevant. Firstly is the online gambling settlement with the US Attorney. Second is the interview in the London magazine: anyone know what the circulation, notability and reliability of LondonlovesBusiness is? KCBS-TV is a SoCal regional TV station so that is also significant.  It is really hard to find sources on this company, since its own web page doesn't make any distinction between independent editorial (the only thing relevant to Wikipedia) and sponsored features (supplements like Raconteur and Media Planet) - but KCBS + the US District Attorney is probably enough to get them over the threshold of WP:CORP. --Hroðulf (or Hrothulf) (Talk) 18:44, 1 May 2015 (UTC)

Keep per the significant coverage in multiple independent reliable sources.  The abstract at http://www.paymentssource.com/eletter/profile/3/18218.htmlWebCite says: "Allied Wallet is developing new payment technology that allows users to identify themselves by using an add-on fingerprint sensor, and also plans to build biometric acceptance for merchants. When the technology is deployed early next year, consumers will have the option to register their fingerprint as a way to verify transactions made via the Allied mobile app. 'You verify the payment with your fingerprint and then choose the card you would like to use to pay the amount on the bill,' says Andy Khawaja, CEO of Allied Wallet, which has 88 million users globally and is available in more than 250 countries and more than 50 currencies."  The article notes: "Bearing in mind his e-commerce company Allied Wallet is expecting to transact $55bn (£36bn) in 2013, you soon realise why the American takes his work so seriously – for Khawaja, every day is at least another million. Allied Wallet provides a secure online payment system (similar to PayPal), as well as peer-to-peer transfers and smartphone card payments. Thanks to the unstoppable onslaught of e-commerce, Khawaja says his company grew by a jaw-dropping 6,000% in 2012 (though he won’t be drawn on profit). The numbers are hard to verify, but aren’t outright impossible." http://www.londonlovesbusiness.com/about-us/WebCite notes: "LondonlovesBusiness.com launched on 5 September 2011. It is the second title from Casis Media, co-founded by Graham Sherren (the mastermind behind Centaur Media and all of its great titles) and Mike Bokaie (founder of Caspian Media and creator of Real Business and Real Deals Magazines)."  The article notes: "The Valley Village resident recently started working at Allied Wallet, an e-commerce services company ranked among Fortune Magazine’s “10 Great Workplaces For Millenials.” “A lot of the perks just surpass everything I could imagine: Friday lunches, weekly massages, a $50 stipend in the cafe downstairs. It’s really incredible,” Cosper said. ... But Allied Wallet’s management disagrees. They say the perks are just that – perks.  Last year, Allied Wallet’s owner recognized Diab as Employee of the Year and surprised him with a brand-new Mercedes-Benz convertible.  ...  Allied Wallet plans to nearly double its Los Angeles staff in the development, marketing and tech areas within the next six months. The starting salary is around six figures."  From http://www.newbusiness.co.uk/profileWebCite: "New Business provides independent advice and guidance to directors and owners of small and medium-sized businesses (SMEs) in the UK through this website, the quarterly publication New Business Magazine, and the free weekly e-newsletter. ... New Business magazine is a 68-page full colour magazine of the highest quality and provides in-depth reports and reviews on all key areas of business including finance, accounting, business planning, marketing and technology. It also features exclusive interviews with leading officials and entrepreneurs such as Sir Alan Sugar, Sir Rocco Forte, Duncan Bannatyne, Ivan Massow, Jacqueline Gold, Terence Conran, James Dyson, Mark Dixon, Charles Dunstone and others. We work with Government bodies, Regional Authorities and leading experts and associations including the Chartered Institute of Personnel and Development, Chartered Institute Of Marketing,the British Chamber of Commerce, and the UKTI. The magazine is also distributed to the British and City Libraries in London and also City libraries throughout the UK. A selection of articles from each issue is included in the magazine archive on the website." <li> The article notes: "Online payment processors Allied Wallet and Allied Systems and their owner, Ahmad Khawaja, have agreed to forfeit US$13.3 million to the U.S. Justice Department to resolve claims that the funds were involved in illegal gambling. The agreement was reached in federal court in Manhattan, according to news reports."</li> </ol>There is sufficient coverage in reliable sources to allow Allied Wallet to pass Notability, which requires "significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject". Cunard (talk) 18:24, 1 May 2015 (UTC) </li></ul>
 * According to the sources, the company has 88 million customers in over 250 countries, processes over 50 currencies, and was projected to have transacted $55 billion (£36 billion) in 2013. Based on the significant coverage in multiple reliable sources, it is clear the company is notable. Cunard (talk) 18:24, 1 May 2015 (UTC)


 * Keep per significant reliable source coverage found by Cunard. --ThaddeusB (talk) 15:17, 4 May 2015 (UTC)
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