Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Alloexpat


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. Only one of the references actually talks at any length about the site, but that reference is a press release from Alloexpat. All the other "references" are actually just passing mentions or "hey, you might find this site useful or interesting". Clearly does not meet WP:N per the sources provided. ··· 日本穣 ? · 投稿  · Talk to Nihonjoe ·  Join WP Japan ! 06:46, 4 January 2012 (UTC)

Alloexpat

 * – ( View AfD View log )

though there are 5 references in the article, none of them amount to significant coverage in the way required by WP:N, apart from the Yahoo News article which seems to be a press release, and as such not independent. It has a WP:BIGNUMBER of visitors though, so although I haven't found anything, something might still be out there that I'm overlooking Martijn Hoekstra (talk) 18:45, 19 December 2011 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Websites-related deletion discussions.  • Gene93k (talk) 01:44, 20 December 2011 (UTC)


 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.


 * Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Ron Ritzman (talk) 00:07, 26 December 2011 (UTC)



Sorry i am new to wikipedia so i ll be most pleased for any of experience wikipedia writers to edit or modify it but i am a bit surprised (although i am a novice here)that Alloexpat article is consider for deletion since alloexpat web articles are mentionned as reference by many writers in many articles in various languages all across wikipedia. some example i found: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Arab_Emirates    ref 145 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malta                   ref 117 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abu_Dhabi               ref 18 http://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malasia                 ref 23 http://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abu_Dabi                ref 16 http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vereinigte_Arabische_Emirate ref 69  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Davidkl2012 (talk • contribs) 12:50, 27 December 2011 (UTC)  — Davidkl2012 (talk&#32;• contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.
 * Comment - On Wikipedia, notability is gauged by how much coverage a topic has in reliable, independent sources (see wp:GNG). Unfortunately, Alloexpat being mentioned on other Wikipedias does not establish notability. Chris the Paleontologist  (talk &#124; contribs) 18:17, 30 December 2011 (UTC)

Also alloexpat is mentionned in few books dedicated to expatriate and traveler as a reference. http://www.google.com/search?tbs=bks:1&q=%22Alloexpat%22 hope this can help in the discussion. thanks — Preceding unsigned comment added by Davidkl2012 (talk • contribs) 12:57, 27 December 2011 (UTC)  — Davidkl2012 (talk&#32;• contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.
 * Comment - most of those mentions appear to be trivial (see wp:NWEB) and thus would be insufficient to establish notability (the coverage doesn't seem in-depth; most mentions of Alloexpat in those books are just in lists of similar websites. Again, see wp:gng). Chris the Paleontologist  (talk &#124; contribs) 18:17, 30 December 2011 (UTC)


 * Keep Major Reliable sources for the expatriates community worldwide always use AlloExpat.com as a key website reference. My arrival in Singapore as an expat 3 years ago was made easy thanks to AlloExpat community website. Anonymous. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 61.8.207.98 (talk) 07:35, 29 December 2011 (UTC) — 61.8.207.98 (talk) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.
 * Comment - While your thoughts are appreciated, discussions in AfD debates are supposed to be based upon Wikipedia policies and guidelines, not personal opinions. Chris the Paleontologist  (talk &#124; contribs) 18:17, 30 December 2011 (UTC)


 * Delete - notability is not established due to lack of coverage. Has GNews hits and references, but mentions overall appear to be either trivial or in press releases. Fails WP:NWEB. If I missed something that is brought up later in the discussion, I might change my mind. Chris the Paleontologist  (talk &#124; contribs) 19:01, 30 December 2011 (UTC)


 * Comment - While I am learning through your clear and pro analysis, I really can't understand the fact that you can't aknowledged the notability of Alloexpat, this website is a 10 years old website with more than 1 milion visitors per month, it has helps thousands of expatriates family around the world for a decade. I hope you can make some more research on the expatriate subject in order to have different thought about Alloexpat notability. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Davidkl2012 (talk • contribs)
 * Reply - While I understand your concerns, I think that you may have misunderstood me. When I say "notability" on Wikipedia, I don't necessarily mean age or popularity, but how much in-depth coverage the topic has received from independent, reliable sources. This is how the notability of topics on Wikipedia is gauged to figure out if the topic should have its own article, if that makes sense. In other words, I'm not debating the impact that AlloExpat has on expatriates, but rather how much is has been discussed in independent sources (books, newspapers, etc. that are not affiliated with AlloExpat). I'd suggest you read the policy on notability; this is how base my argument. I hope this helps. Chris the Paleontologist  (talk &#124; contribs) 20:04, 1 January 2012 (UTC)

As i keep on searching for more references for Alloexpat, i just found that the UN Refugee Agency (UNHCR)is using Alloexpat as a source for its Turkey information report in 2007. Please see report at http://www.unhcr.org/refworld/pdfid/45ffefcd2.pdf (ref 50). — Preceding unsigned comment added by Davidkl2012 (talk • contribs) 15:40, 1 January 2012 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.