Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Alma Lloyd


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep. Overall consensus is for the article to be retained. North America1000 23:29, 12 March 2016 (UTC)

Alma Lloyd

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Fails WP:NACTOR. Starred in one or two minor movies (out of 18 IMDb credits), but that's about it. Clarityfiend (talk) 23:51, 2 March 2016 (UTC)
 * Reply Actually Imdb isn't 100% accurate. There are 6 credited roles on Imdb, there but Imdb is missing one other that she was credited for. Out of those 6 roles on Imdb, 2 she was one of the main actors and in another, Song of the Saddle she was actually the co star. She was a credited actress in 3 more. The problem is, that when people create pages for a person or film, they need to put in a bit more info so that it makes it easier for others to see where the notability may be. Doesn't take that long actually. Karl Twist (talk) 10:18, 8 March 2016 (UTC)
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 * Weak keep. Odd that the article doesn't mention that she was the daughter of director Frank Lloyd. The press did give Alma some attention at various times: "Warners Sign Director's Kin", Pittsburgh Post-Gazette, Jul 30, 1935; "Director Lloyd Is No Hero to His Daughter", Chicago Tribune, March 13, 1936; her wedding notices and photo in various papers around the country such as .  And she did star in at least one film, The Big Noise (1936) .  A marginal career to be sure, but I think our paperless encyclopedia has room for such sourceable content about old time actors. --Arxiloxos (talk) 01:48, 3 March 2016 (UTC)
 * Her father is famous, not her especially, so WP:NOTINHERITED applies. And even if we really stretch and call The Big Noise a significant production, that's just the one. Clarityfiend (talk) 02:05, 3 March 2016 (UTC)


 * Delete The only reference is IMDb, which is not reliable. Majority of her roles were uncredited. Maybe redirect to her father, Frank Lloyd. JDDJS (talk) 02:59, 3 March 2016 (UTC)
 * Keep, as soon as I saw this I recognized her from magazines that I've read over the years. A couple had spreads on her. Yes she never achieved stardom but she had prominent roles in a few films. In some tv guides that have a short list of the main actors she was listed in the short list. She had a prominent role as Mary in Jimmy and Sally, the 1933 film directed by James Tinling. She also had similar as Sandra in the William C. McGann directed Freshman Love. She was a co-star in the Song of the Saddle directed by Louis King. She played the part of Jen. She also had good roles in I Married a Doctor and a smaller than usual role in 1938 with If I Were King. Yes her career fizzed out and she had more uncredited parts than credited ones. Problem with her, she was picked for a degree of stardom and had potential. She could act but was (possibly) too pretty to be taken seriously as a character actress. There are reasons for those actors with potential no making it but I won't go into that because I don't know what (if there were in her case) other forces that held her back. What I do know that she had recognition in the beginning and was picked for greater things. If I were a bookie back in the day I would have picked her as a favorite. Her good roles, the few she had makes her notable. The article needs a good amount of work so I might have a go at improving it when I have some time. Karl Twist (talk) 12:18, 3 March 2016 (UTC)
 * Weak keep In addition to the newspaper coverage that someone has already mentioned, she has quite a few mentions in movie history books. If the article can't be kept I would recommend merging with her father's article, however my impression is that she had just enough of a career to create confusion if she's simply mentioned/ incorporated with her father. TheBlinkster (talk) 21:07, 5 March 2016 (UTC)
 * Merge / redirect. Gosh, this one's on the bubble, isn't it?  But it's a good nom.  She doesn't meet the standard, and I can't find anything else notable in her career or later life.  I'd say merge over into a paragraph in Frank Lloyd.  --Lockley (talk) 17:16, 9 March 2016 (UTC)
 * Keep as the newspapers and magazines coverage mentioned being reliable sources, and the subject has had some prominent roles, and was once thought of as an up and coming star, I think WP:BASIC is passed.Atlantic306 (talk) 01:45, 10 March 2016 (UTC)
 * Reply Yes Atlantic306, you summed it up. Yes she was thought of at the time as up and coming star. And she received coverage as such. Also if we look at advertisements for some of the films she had billing in, The Big Noise at the Brooklyn Theatre as advertised in the Evening Post - March 13,1937, the stars listed in order were Guy Kibbee, Alma Lloyd and Warren Hull. In October 1936 at The Roxy and Tivoli in New Zealandd, as per the Auckland Star - 1 October 1936, Dick Foran, Guy Kibbee, Alma Lloyd, Mariee Wilson, Henry O'Neil. Same here years later at the Democratic Underground website TCM Schedule for Friday, April 26, 2013 -- Friday Night Spotlight: A Woman's World. The film Song of the Saddle that played at Regent Rangiora in New Zealand, advertised in The Press - 5 December 1936, she was listed as co-star. Quite a bit more too. Karl Twist (talk) 10:50, 10 March 2016 (UTC)


 * Keep - The sources in the article show that she passes WP:GNG.  Onel 5969  TT me 14:05, 10 March 2016 (UTC)
 * Keep: Passes WP:GNG. GauchoDude (talk) 13:05, 11 March 2016 (UTC)
 * Keep, as she passes WP:ACTORBIO on the grounds of multiple notable performaces. While she may not starred in any Oscar winners, her career was prolific enough to warrant her an artcle. Colonel Wilhelm Klink (Complaints|Mistakes) 02:07, 12 March 2016 (UTC)


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