Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Alois Buttinger


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The result was delete.  Sandstein  08:05, 7 August 2019 (UTC)

Alois Buttinger

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This article has been tagged for notability and a lack of sources for over ten years. While the article indicates that his life was eventful, it doesn't convey a sense that he'd have been notable. If there are sources that indicate notability, the article isn't sharing the sort of information that would make him seem that way to us. In any event, nothing available via Google demonstrates that he meets WP:GNG or any aspect of WP:BIO. Largoplazo (talk) 02:15, 22 July 2019 (UTC)
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 * Comment Possibly notable, not all sources for twentieth century lives are available online. I have added an obituary from the German article and Google books brings up a number of mentions, mostly on snippet view, including:
 * Nationalsozialismus in Kärnten: Opfer. Täter. Gegner. (Nadja Danglmaier, ‎Werner Koroschitz - 2015)
 * "Heiss umfehdet, wild umstritten ---": Geschichtsmythen in Rot-Weiß-Rot (Werner Koroschitz, ‎Lisa Rettl, ‎Museum der Stadt Villach - 2005)
 * Erwin Scharf, Zeitzeuge (Erwin Scharf, ‎Maria Sporrer, ‎Herbert Steiner - 1986)
 * Ein korrekter Nazi: Oskar Kraus, NS-Oberbürgermeister von Villach (Lisa Rettl, ‎Werner Koroschitz, ‎Oskar Kraus - 2006)
 * Österreicher im Exil: Grossbritannien, 1938-1945 : eine Dokumentation (Wolfgang Muchitsch - 1992) TSventon (talk) 09:38, 22 July 2019 (UTC)


 * Delete. Mentions in books are not automatically ironclad proof of notability in and of themselves — the degree to which book content does or doesn't help to make him notable is strictly coterminous with how substantive that mention is or isn't. An entire chapter about him would help to establish his notability; a glancing mention of his existence on one page, in a context whose primary subject is somebody or something else, would not. So it's not enough to just list books that appear to have his name in them somewhere: you would need to actually demonstrate how much each book does or doesn't say about him before we can evaluate how much each book does or doesn't actually contribute any GNG points. So without a more detailed summary of how much those books do or don't actually say, I can't evaluate how much they do or don't help — so I can only evaluate this on the basis of the sources present in the article. But one piece of purely local coverage in the local newspaper is not an instant free pass over GNG in and of itself, founding a non-notable local youth summer camp is not "inherently" notable enough to exempt him from having to pass GNG, and everything else stated in the article is just biographical information rather than notability claims. I'm willing to reconsider this if somebody can actually read the books to provide more detailed proof that Buttinger is substantively a subject and not just a trivial namecheck, but as it stands nothing here is enough yet. And per WP:WAX, the fact that an article exists on the German Wikipedia does not automatically mean that one has to exist on the English Wikipedia too — on the evidence at hand here, the German article should probably be deleted too, and the only reason I'm not personally listing it for deletion myself is that I can't sprachen zie deutsch to navigate their deletion process. Bearcat (talk) 15:47, 23 July 2019 (UTC)
 * Reply I am not arguing with anything you have said, and I am not voting to keep based on what I have found so far. The German article is a potential source of evidence of notability, but unfortunately only has one in depth reference. The reference I added from the German article means the English article is no longer totally unreferenced and makes a contribution to establishing notability, admittedly limited as it is a local paper obituary. TSventon (talk) 17:11, 23 July 2019 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, ‑Scottywong | confer _ 01:28, 30 July 2019 (UTC)
 * Weak Delete It doesn't seem notable enough (despite being eventful!). Ivor Browning (talk) 06:18, 7 August 2019 (UTC)


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