Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Aloyse Neu


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The result was delete. &spades;PMC&spades; (talk) 00:57, 24 September 2020 (UTC)

Aloyse Neu

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He competed twice in the Chess Olympiad, but since any country can send a team without preliminary qualifications, this isn't a truly remarkable achievement for small or less chess-impressive countries like Luxembourg.

I can't find any reliable, independent sources about him (except databases and passing mentions), which means he fails WP:BIO. Fram (talk) 13:00, 3 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Sportspeople-related deletion discussions. Fram (talk) 13:00, 3 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Luxembourg-related deletion discussions. Fram (talk) 13:00, 3 September 2020 (UTC)


 * I create this article according Notability_of_chess_players:

3. Has won a national or continental championship or women's championship.

Aloyse Neu twice won national championship - Luxembourg Chess Championship (1954, 1959).--Uldis s (talk) 13:55, 3 September 2020 (UTC)
 * These project-written pages are not generally accepted notability guidelines, and this is an example of why not. Fram (talk) 14:54, 3 September 2020 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Delete Any reasonable interpretation of chess notability guidelines would ignore "national" championships in truly minor countries.John Pack Lambert (talk) 14:22, 3 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Keep as he arguably meets WP:ANYBIO #1 if you regard twice winning a national championship as a significant honour. There doesn't seem to be much coverage online outside of raw databases but that does not mean that offline sources do not exist in chess periodicals of the time. It may be possible to expand the article in the future if these sources are found. P-K3 (talk) 12:07, 10 September 2020 (UTC)
 * No, I don't regard winning a national championship in a very small country (or in a minor sport in a bigger country for that matter) a "significant honour" in itself. The article can be recreated if and when these potential sources are found, but keeping an article because sources may or may not exist is basically throwing WP:N out of the window.
 * To be precise, ANYBIO calls for "a well-known and significant award or honor": I don't think that "the national chess champion of Luxembourg" can be claimed to be such a "well-known and significant honor" (unlike e.g. a Victoria Cross, an Olympic title, ...) Fram (talk) 12:24, 10 September 2020 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks,  Sandstein   09:14, 11 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete Since there is no qualifying for the Olympics, merely competing in it does not seem to be that big a deal, especially when representing a small country. For example, at the last chess olympiad there were 185 registered teams in the Open division and 151 in the Women's section with a total of almost 1700 participants.  Neu's record at international team competitions appears to have been 1 win, 4 draws, and 23 losses which would seem to indicate he was not among the top tier of competitors.  In addition, there is no supporting evidence to show that there is sufficient significant independent coverage to show notability.  Chess databases aren't enough.  I don't think being a two time champion of Luxembourg is sufficient to grant automatic notability. Papaursa (talk) 03:58, 12 September 2020 (UTC)


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