Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Alpine Beer Company


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   keep. — Jake   Wartenberg  01:40, 31 August 2009 (UTC)

Alpine Beer Company

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Non-notable company per WP:CORP. No references. Clubmarx (talk) 01:57, 24 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Why is this flagged for deletion?
 * Comment. Article was created on August 24, 2009. It seems premature to nominate it for deletion rather than explaining to the article creator what is required and giving him/her a couple of weeks to develop the article. Quite a few Google News sources exist, and if you search by "Alpine Beer Co" you get this LA Times article. Abductive  (reasoning) 02:30, 24 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Weak keep. I'm willing to give this one a break on the references since the history shows it was listed here three minutes shortly after creation. Per The San Diego Union-Tribune, Alpine Beer Company was "ranked as the nation's fifth best brewery by Beer Advocate magazine". Location (talk) 05:00, 24 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Comment. There was other edit activity on the page Alpine beer company. I made a redirect on that since the author created two pages to correct the capitalization. Clubmarx (talk) 05:20, 24 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Weak keep per the mention from Beer Advocate and the early AfD. No prejudice against renomination if more notability cannot be shown over time.  Them From  Space  05:51, 24 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Keep. Give the article a chance to be developed before throwing it under the AfD bus. Not everyone can live on Wikipedia, and not everyone has the time to write full and complete articles on their first edit. This is a perfect example of a stub that needs expanding, not an AfD candidate. --Lithorien (talk) 11:42, 24 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Keep. This is a consumer business making tangible goods in its own facilities and selling them under its own brand.  That sort of business is likely to generate independent, third party notice, and as noted above, some have already been found. - Smerdis of Tlön (talk) 14:19, 24 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete All the keeps want to waive our notability requirements because this is NEW and exciting. However, the links provided show that this corporation has not achieved significant in-depth coverage in multiple reliable sources.  Most of the "coverage" is on a beer website that may or may not be a reliable source or trivial mentions on local news sources.  No prejudice against recreation when it meets our notability requirements.  The speed of the nomination for AfD or the state of the article are not factors in our notability requirements but mere smokescreen.  Drawn Some (talk) 17:27, 24 August 2009 (UTC)
 * A smokescreen? Really? Are you joking? What about things like WP:PRESERVE that drive us to make an effort to make articles the best we can, or WP:IMPERFECT? Bringing an article to AfD three minutes after it was created is a blatent slap in the face of both of those policy guidelines, and screaming "it's not notable" without actually letting the article have a chance to establish it is just silly. Try using some WP:ATD, even. It's like the people calling for deletion have never read WP:BEFORE - the article wasn't even tagged, fer crissakes. --Lithorien (talk) 19:00, 24 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Comment.I can't believe how quickly this was flagged for deletion. I've added multiple reliable third-party references Breals (talk)
 * Keep Award winning beers, References in LA Times and San Diego Union Tribune. Passes notability.  Capitalismojo (talk) 21:40, 24 August 2009 (UTC)


 * Keep Per Google news searches & Beer Advocate's 5th best brewery. Admrboltz (talk) 13:03, 27 August 2009 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.