Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Alpine skiing at the 2012 Arctic Winter Games


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The result was delete. The "keep" arguments were largely hollow and, as noted by the "delete" arguments, these individual events specifically do not live up to the requirements laid out by relevant notability guidelines due to the lack of necessary significant third-party coverage to justify separate articles. ✗ plicit  01:21, 2 January 2022 (UTC)

Alpine skiing at the 2012 Arctic Winter Games

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There doesn't seem to be the necessary notability to have individual articles for specific sports at these small, regional, junior games. I checked alpine skiing, dene, and table tennis, and it looks as if these have not been the subject of the necessary independent coverage, with even many gold medal winners not getting real attention.

Also nominated are
 * Arctic sports at the 2012 Arctic Winter Games
 * Badminton at the 2012 Arctic Winter Games
 * Basketball at the 2012 Arctic Winter Games
 * Biathlon at the 2012 Arctic Winter Games
 * Cross country skiing at the 2012 Arctic Winter Games
 * Curling at the 2012 Arctic Winter Games
 * Dene games at the 2012 Arctic Winter Games
 * Dog mushing at the 2012 Arctic Winter Games
 * Figure skating at the 2012 Arctic Winter Games
 * Gymnastics at the 2012 Arctic Winter Games
 * Ice hockey at the 2012 Arctic Winter Games
 * Indoor soccer at the 2012 Arctic Winter Games
 * Short track speed skating at the 2012 Arctic Winter Games
 * Snowboarding at the 2012 Arctic Winter Games
 * Snowshoe biathlon at the 2012 Arctic Winter Games
 * Snowshoeing at the 2012 Arctic Winter Games
 * Table tennis at the 2012 Arctic Winter Games
 * Volleyball at the 2012 Arctic Winter Games

Fram (talk) 15:41, 20 December 2021 (UTC)


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 * Strong keep as the page creator of all of those as well as the pages from 2014, 2016 and 2018. The AWG are by no means small, attracting more athletes than some multi-sport events such as the Asian Winter Games, and about the same amount as other winter games such as European Youth Olympic Festival. It is not solely junior games, not that it's really an argument against. The fact that they are regional is a fair argument, however. That said, the games do cover three continents and include some of the largest countries on the planet (Russia, USA, Canada, Greenland), and is the largest of its kind in Arctic. It is the largest multi-sport event for indigenous Inuit sports too. I have taken several looks at WP:NSPORT and WP:EVENT while making these pages the past few months, and have found little indicating that these games are not notable. With no specific notability guidelines for multi-sport events, the multi-sport WP has one. Event articles are considered notable for articles in all notable games, according to that guideline. I very much see the AWG games as notable and don't see any reason to delete these pages. Kaffe42 (talk) 16:20, 20 December 2021 (UTC)
 * That "guideline" you link to has no consensus (it isn't vetted for consensus, and not tagged as a policy or guideline); the guideline for these is WP:GNG (or WP:NEVENT, but in the end those need to meet WP:GNG anyway). The non-guideline you use is failing WP:NOTINHERITED badly: that the overarching event is notable (which I don't dispute) doesn't indicate that all sports within that event are notable as well. Fram (talk) 16:34, 20 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete Agree with : while the games overall are most likely notable, the individual events appear to lack sufficient sourcing per WP:GNG to justify their own pages, that is to say significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject. Chumpih. (talk) 17:19, 20 December 2021 (UTC) + 2022-01-01

Relisting comment: Most "keep" opinions above aren't very substantive, as they provide little in the way of arguments or sources. Needs more discussion. Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks,  Sandstein   21:13, 27 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Keep - Google is showing plenty of news papers covering these events, enough to make them notable for their own articles. It would be a massive clutter of page if you merged them into one, one-per-sporting-event etc. oncamera   (talk page)  10:32, 21 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Where are these "plenty of news papers"? Take e.g. Luke Londero, gold medal winner: mentioned in one source. Yuliya Molodykh, gold medal winner, "plenty of coverage" for her event? Tom Fulop won the "open knuckle hop"; as said in our article but not remarked upon by anyone else. Other sports have the same issue, e.g. gymnastics gold medal winners, or cross country gold medal winners. Fram (talk) 11:33, 21 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Keep as per the two Keeps above Florentyna (talk) 13:34, 21 December 2021 (UTC)
 * So no reason at all then? A "guideline" which isn't a guideline, and a claim of "plenty of news papers covering", without any evidence for it? Fram (talk) 13:44, 21 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of association football-related deletions. GiantSnowman 19:09, 21 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Procedural keep - these should be individually nominated, without prejudice for that happening. Based on a quick look I cannot find evidence of notability for some of them but this will become a train wreck soon enough... GiantSnowman 19:11, 21 December 2021 (UTC)
 * There of course is no reason for a procedural keep as long as no notability has been shown for even one of these surely? Fram (talk) 21:20, 21 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Keep Others above have summed up the reasons. Plenty of notability for these events. -DJSasso (talk) 16:35, 22 December 2021 (UTC)
 * ...as evidenced by...? Fram (talk) 19:01, 22 December 2021 (UTC)
 *  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.


 * Delete all Don't see any evidence that there was independent coverage of these events. The official website has full results pages like and  but I don't see the notability that they should be copied into Wikipedia, especially since it appears all events were in the "Junior" or "Juvenile" classes. Even 2012 Arctic Winter Games is sourced to the official website only. That's quite the red herring to say the events "include some of the largest countries on the planet" when it's actually just some of the lowest-population parts that send participants. Reywas92Talk 18:31, 29 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete all, I see nothing that indicates the event was more than trivial. The competitors are completely unknown sportspeople, not warranting this level of detail. Geschichte (talk) 09:14, 31 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete all, while the games overall are likely notable, the individual events and participants are not (notability is not inherited et. al.). Instead, this looks like an unnecessary level of detail with (as Reywas pointed out) some serious sourcing issues. --SilverTiger12 (talk) 19:50, 1 January 2022 (UTC)


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