Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Alpines

 This page is an archive of the discussion about the proposed deletion of the article below. This page is no longer live. Further comments should be made on the article's talk page rather than here so that this page is preserved as an historic record. The result of the debate was no concensus. - Mailer Diablo 11:35, 11 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Alpines
Delete. Defines a race of people in central Europe. After Googling on "Alpine racial" (because I didn't want to dig through a lot of Alpine ski races), I think this is a racial definition used by white power groups. FreplySpang (talk) 03:52, 5 Apr 2005 (UTC) ''Change to redirect into Nordic theory. Thanks for the rewrite, Mustafaa. FreplySpang (talk) 12:37, 9 Apr 2005 (UTC)''
 * Delete racist neologism. &#8212; Sesel wa  04:37, 5 Apr 2005 (UTC)
 * Redirect to Alps. Megan1967 06:40, 5 Apr 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete. POV and racist, but certainly not a neologism. It is a concept used already pre-Hitler, when these type of racial classifications were mainstream in European physical anthropology and related disciplines. This is regarded as pseudoscience today, but is still of historical significance, and it should be covered somewhere, but probably not in its own article and not with such an ambiguous title. / Uppland 06:58, 5 Apr 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete. If redirected, I'd think Alpine would be a better target. Average Earthman 12:45, 5 Apr 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete Although the pseudoscience this is based on should be covered, this is not usefull. Dsmdgold 13:13, Apr 5, 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete, speculation, not supporteed by scientific fact. RickK 20:30, Apr 5, 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep. Just a generation ago this was near-universally accepted scientific dogma.  Like phlogiston or luminiferous aether, this is a valid topic, although its current content is stubby. - Mustafaa 22:01, 5 Apr 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep/redirect Clearly jewish/zionist deletionists are attempting to hide evedence of discredited racial theories Klonimus 00:43, 6 Apr 2005 (UTC)
 * This vandal has gotten on my last nerve. This personal attack is it.  I'll be blocking you soon, I think.  RickK 04:28, Apr 6, 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete in its current state. --Fuzzball! (talk) 01:14, 6 Apr 2005 (UTC)
 * Concur with Uppland (Delete, replace with redirect to Alpine, reference this info in some other pseudosci article on races). Radiant_* 08:13, Apr 6, 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep per Mustafaa's rewrite (or merge into a parent article on 19th century racial characterizations if we have one). Rossami (talk) 06:14, 7 Apr 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep. That's what encyclopedia for: to preserve knowledge. Knowledge of errors is preserved, too, if only not to repeat them. Mikkalai 02:39, 8 Apr 2005 (UTC)
 * Comment: The topic of the "Alpine race" is already addressed in the article Nordic theory, and there is a discussion going on at the talk page there. I still think this article can be deleted. The whole larger subject of racial classifications needs some more consolidation, not more stubby articles. / Uppland 07:01, 8 Apr 2005 (UTC)
 * Comment: I'd be fine with redirecting to that article as an interim measure, but I think that the long period of this idea's popularity generated enough literature to justify a separate page. I also note that Nordic theory currently has very little indeed to say about the actual content, as opposed to history, of this theory - barely more, in fact, than the stub under discussion. Surely this needs to be rectified? - Mustafaa 07:35, 8 Apr 2005 (UTC)
 * I agree. We just need someone to do this who has read enough on the subject without having a racist POV. While searching, I realized that there is a bunch of Wikipedia articles on racism, eugenics and related topics (Racism, Racialism, Master race, Eugenics, Racial hygiene and probably several others) and the whole subject matter probably needs better organization, rewriting and merging of some articles and various redirects to avoid additional duplication of stuff. Maybe I'll take it upon myself to write something on the Swedish Institute of Racial Biology, just to take a fairly well delimited topic. / Uppland 08:21, 8 Apr 2005 (UTC)
 * Another note: there is actually the article Race (historical definitions), which seems to have come to a good start and has a good, NPOV title. I would suggest perhaps merging the content of a few of the other articles into that one. / Uppland 15:06, 8 Apr 2005 (UTC)
 * keep there's just about enough to say about this to justify a separate article. There are all sorts of strange things that need to be simple to look up to help in reading old literature of various kinds.  Mozzerati 07:16, 2005 Apr 10 (UTC)
 * Keep although a sensitive issue. PatGallacher 16:04, 2005 Apr 10 (UTC)


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