Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Alton Campaign vs. Free Speech (1836-38)


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete‎__EXPECTED_UNCONNECTED_PAGE__. ✗ plicit  02:33, 26 July 2023 (UTC)

Alton Campaign vs. Free Speech (1836-38)

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I'm not quite sure what the subject is to be honest, but this seems not so much an encyclopedia article, rather an instance of original research. I can't find other reliable sources connecting the murder of Lovejoy with ending free speech in general. ... disco spinster   talk  16:30, 14 July 2023 (UTC) Relisting comment: Relisting to consider Merge suggestion. Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz Read! Talk! 23:34, 21 July 2023 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: History and United States of America. ...  disco spinster   talk  16:30, 14 July 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete: Pure OR; there isn't any source I can find that refers to the mob killing of Elijah Lovejoy as the "Alton Campaign vs. Free Speech" except the self-published book that is cited in the article. The article itself just strings together a bunch of disconnected events where a public figure mentioned the Lovejoy killing, without making any effort to link them; these events are covered better in other articles and thus the Alton Campaign article duplicates other WP content (badly). WeirdNAnnoyed (talk) 19:19, 14 July 2023 (UTC)
 * There was good critique that the issue of orphan article should be addressed. As that issue was in the process of being addressed, it appears that WeirdNAnnoyed destroyed the capacity to make those links – rather non-constructive. Does WeirdNAnnoyed run Wikipedia? This antagonistic behavior discourages those who are not "insiders" from taking the trouble to contribute to Wikipedia. Ark2 (talk) 20:23, 18 July 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete – I documented some of my objections to the article on its talk page. Were the contributor more amenable to taking constructive criticism, I'd suggest draftify while working through the POV issues and unsupported claims.  — jmcgnh (talk) (contribs) 20:19, 18 July 2023 (UTC)
 * There has been an attempt to respond to good critique. Maybe Wikipedia experts can do this better. Ark2 (talk) 20:26, 18 July 2023 (UTC)
 * Merge into Abraham Lincoln's Lyceum address. There is good info here, but it's not an article. The title seems like complete WP:OR, it reads like an essay, and the crucial points are either covered in the Lincoln article or belong as background in the Lyceum Address. I don't see draftify fixing this. Last1in (talk) 13:03, 19 July 2023 (UTC)
 *  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.


 * Delete, Elijah Parish Lovejoy already covers the events that this article attempts to be about. Since this title is very clearly not a viable search term, as this name is not used outside a single obscure self-published book, there is no reason to redirect or merge anything. Devonian Wombat (talk) 05:50, 22 July 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete, but double-check two articles , I am really confused by the title and how Lovejoy's murder links up to events 1950 and after. That is a stretch without out any connective events and a reason why they are said to be connected. I am guessing that the real impact would be something like Hate speech in the United States, Hate crimes in the United States, or Racism in the United States (not that I'm advocating for edits there, just trying to say that there are articles that cover this kind of content). I will double-check two articles Timeline of events leading to the American Civil War and Elijah Parish Lovejoy to see if there is anything that could be added there. (There's also Origins of the Civil War, but the article focuses on events closer to the beginning of the war.)
 * Also, there is some content added to Abraham Lincoln's article at Abraham Lincoln, but that's the wrong section. Some editing is needed and some is uncited. So, I will check that out, too.–CaroleHenson (talk) 18:29, 23 July 2023 (UTC)
 * Abraham Lincoln article - Removed content from the wrong section - and summarized into in a section of that timeline (1836 to 1838) here.
 * Timeline of events leading to the American Civil War added 1836 Lynching of Francis McIntosh here.
 * Added Jon Meacham's opinion to Elijah Parish Lovejoy here. There's already mention of Francis McIntosh and Abraham Lincoln in the article.–CaroleHenson (talk) 19:18, 23 July 2023 (UTC)
 * Struck out the part that is done in my vote.–CaroleHenson (talk) 21:15, 23 July 2023 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.