Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Alustriel Silverhand


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.  

The result was delete - No sources provided to indicate real-world notability. Mr.  Z- man  04:20, 6 November 2007 (UTC)

Alustriel Silverhand

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Non-notable fictional character. Prod removed by User:204.208.179.5 without comment, so listing at AfD. Mikeblas 13:18, 30 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Keep. Among the most notable Realms characters, on a level with Wulfgar, Bruenor, and The Blackstaff.  Powers T 14:52, 30 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Game-related deletions.   --Gavin Collins 15:06, 30 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete this fictional character may be notable within the game setting from which he is derived (and hence the ghits from fansites), but there are no reliable secondary sources to demonstrate notability in the real-world. --Gavin Collins 15:06, 30 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Did you even read the article, or is "he" just a typo? Powers T 15:15, 30 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Heh, yes that's rather indicative of the care and attention that goes into a lot of these fiction afds. Artw 18:38, 30 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete Not notable Pilotbob 17:12, 30 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Keep notable character within the Forgotten Realms series and novels. BOZ 19:26, 30 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Keep &mdash; Notable character within the context of a notable game setting. &mdash; RJH (talk) 22:43, 30 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Comment - but this is Wikipedia, not ForgottenWiki (or WikiForRealia - sorry...) - so what exactly makes this character notable outside the context of that game? --Action Jackson IV 00:54, 31 October 2007 (UTC)
 * As one of its major personages, information about Alustriel is vital to fully understanding the Forgotten Realms. Powers T 02:04, 31 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Question. Perhpas so. But why is the character notable outside of Forgotten Realms? Consider Tom Sawyer, a notable fictional character -- much has been written independently of Mark Twain's writing about the character and the universal meaning of his challenges and encounters. Is there such material about Silverhand, or any of the other Forgotten Realms characters? -- Mikeblas 02:31, 31 October 2007 (UTC)
 * I see what you're getting at; my angle is that articles about particularly notable personages in a fictional setting could be viewed as necessary extensions of the setting's article. While Wikipedia is not paper, we do have limits on article size for aesthetic (and minor technical) reasons.  Splitting out the information on those notable personages could thus be seen as appropriate even if the characters would not merit inclusion on their own.  Powers T 12:27, 31 October 2007 (UTC)


 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Fictional characters-related deletions.   —Quasirandom 04:58, 31 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete Fails WP:FICT. Edison 14:11, 31 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Keep major Forgotten Realms character. --Polaron | Talk 16:18, 1 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete, fails WP:FICT requirement of reliable secondary sources. Doctorfluffy 20:51, 2 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Question: is there any reason why, instead of outright deletion, this article couldn't be merged into Seven Sisters (Forgotten Realms)? The suggestion was ignored with Dove Falconhand but Alustriel is by far the most notable of the seven.  Powers T 22:00, 4 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Game-related deletions.   --Gavin Collins 23:50, 4 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete as merger of exerpts of a game guide with no secondary sources makes no sense. You may as well buy the game settings and read about this fictional character there, as outside of the setting she has no notability.--Gavin Collins 23:50, 4 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Excerpts from a game guide? Powers T 13:35, 5 November 2007 (UTC)
 * And besides, you already !voted. Powers T 13:35, 5 November 2007 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.