Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Alyse Eady


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The result was Keep. Cavarrone 11:22, 17 November 2016 (UTC)

Alyse Eady

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Eady has two main points of interest, neither of which are at a level to justify having an article. One is that she was Miss Arkansas. This beauty pageant win is just not enough to grant default notability. Her other set of notability is as a local TV news anchor at a local station in Little Rock, Arkansas and then in Atlanta, Georgia. These positions are sourced to blog entries and PR pieces, and there is no coverage of her in this postions from independent reliable sources. John Pack Lambert (talk) 00:16, 9 November 2016 (UTC)
 * Delete Yet another non-notable pageant contestant (not winner, but runner up) turned TV anchor, with no viable third-party sources. Yawn. sixty nine   • speak up •  05:36, 9 November 2016 (UTC)
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 * Keep: I think subject meets at least WP:BASIC. Sources: Amarillo Globe News, Washington Post, States news service, Arkansas Business . The next three sources are also beyond paywall but I couldn't access them. They however seem to have some coverage of subject: Arkansas Bus.2, Arkansas Bus.3 Arkansas Bus.4.  Anup   [Talk]  15:53, 12 November 2016 (UTC)
 * One more Paris news. Anup   [Talk]  15:56, 12 November 2016 (UTC)
 * Comment Niche sources such as Arkansas Business don't establish notability. sixty nine   • speak up •  05:26, 13 November 2016 (UTC)
 * There are few other sources beside Arkansas ones and together they imo answer the question of notability. And I don't believe I was able find all available sources about subject. Anup   [Talk]  12:12, 13 November 2016 (UTC)


 * Delete Weak keep: She won Miss Arkansas 2010, was first runner-up at the 2011 Miss America pageant, and became a local newscaster. There are two Miss America Organization references (WP:Primary source), two Miss Arkansas Organization references (also primary sources), a youTube of her pageant performance (from a primary source), a dead link, and a reference of her new anchor and reporter day job. First, I watched the youtube video. I think the puppet animals sing better than she does. It was funny but I can see why she chose another career. It seems the pageant links are prone to rotting. "2011 Miss America Pageant Returns to Planet Hollywood in Las Vegas!" returns PAGE NOT FOUND 404 Error Page. "About Alyse", 404 Not Found. "MAOT History"; 404 Not Found, and also THV 11 returns OH, SNAP!The Page you requested cannot be displayed. Primary sources do not count toward notability and even with that two references from the same source would count as one so this subject does not pass WP:GNG. If we use local TV jobs as an acceptable criteria, even with her yodeling, ventriloquism, and tap dancing act, we would have to accept something like 54,000 articles to cover them all in the US, then we would have to cover the rest of the world. This means the local news anchor job does not meet WP:notability because there is nothing "worthy of notice" or "note" – that is, "remarkable" or "significant, interesting, or unusual enough to deserve attention or to be recorded" about a local news anchor. As cute as her puppets were, there just is not actual notability for article inclusion as her temporary fame of Miss Arkansas has faded. A Google search brought up her ex-THV11.com job, her Fox 5 job, and getting married. I found that she, along with three others, won a National Academy of Television Arts & Sciences (NATAS) Mid-America Emmy Award for "Historical/Cultural – News Story/Feature". That to me is still not significant and if kept this article would more than likely just remain a permanent stub. Otr500 (talk) 22:49, 13 November 2016 (UTC)
 * Keep has found several articles that show notability. The subject passes GNG and the article can be improved with those sources. In addition, I'd like to point out that a "niche source" can establish notability, especially in conjunction with other sources. Also, a tip for, The Internet Archive is your friend. When you come across a deadlink, do Wikipedia a favor and try to resolve it using the Wayback Machine. I'll try to clean up and add to the article today so that we may have a WP:HEY situation. Megalibrarygirl (talk) 19:36, 14 November 2016 (UTC)
 * Reply, comments, and reasoning for !vote change: With all due respect and a hats off to your efforts, I see the adding of references that just makes an article subject look more notable. The reference can't be fully accessed without paying, and there is nothing wrong with that when needed, however, the reference can be found at The Washington Post: "Names & Faces: Bob Dole, John Lennon, Miss America" with free access. I would suggest and ask (please) don't use paywall references when not absolutely necessary. I see these type references sometimes used in ref-bombing.
 * As for as using WayBackMachine, I list what I find when searching for notability. I am NOT going to take the time to search out archives on Primary sources unless I see I can improve an article that has notability. If there are volunteers I can ping a message on every dead link I run across (hundreds) and that person can help me. I really don't see that happening.


 * I struggled with this because I don't see a state win as notable for a BLP, and the vast majority of "career stub" state pageant pseudo BLP's are anything but notable. She placed 1st runner up in Miss America that did get national coverage. Since I do not have an issue with any notable article (pageants or otherwise), and I do not just give fly-by !votes but keep up with them, I reexamined this one. I think that, a first place winner in a National pageant (many times inheriting the title), can be a secondary elevation towards notability ("famous" or "popular" – although not irrelevant – is secondary.), when added to the other content and references (even though weak), and the efforts of Megalibrarygirl, are reasons for my change. Please note that I do not support that just placing 1st runner up a sole criteria for notability. I certainly don't think a state win notable, and this article will still very likely remain a career glorified stub, I will give in to efforts which is actually just for the "Hey" of it. Otr500 (talk) 11:42, 15 November 2016 (UTC)


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