Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Alyssa Bustamante


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   delete. However, if an editor wishes to write an article with another name title and focus, feel free to contact an admin for userfication. Cirt (talk) 14:06, 4 January 2010 (UTC)

Alyssa Bustamante

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Fails Notability (people), specifically Notability (people)-- Jeremy (talk) 23:56, 20 December 2009 (UTC)

delete - I've personally created a page about this individual. I blanked and deleted it the same day. I originally felt that this event (the killing) was signifigant, in a sense. It is a horrible tragedy, but a single case of juvenile murder is not a notable event. it would be notable if the perpetrator or victim were already notable, or if the concequences of the act were of note. We cannot gague the consequenses yet, but if it resulted in a notable legal conclusion, it would then render this incident notable. Vinithehat (talk) 07:19, 21 December 2009 (UTC)
 * comment — I agree that there is a possibility that the incident itself might become notable enough for its inclusion. But, much as we have an article about the Murder of James Bulger and not the victim or perpetrators, I think that any resulting article should be about the event. —Jeremy (talk) 14:59, 21 December 2009 (UTC)

rename - I feel this article should be moved/updated to the cover the event. If at present it's not significant enough to cover the perpetrator solely, although that may alter upon the legal outcome, if expanded and updated to cover the more notable event, the article should suitable for inclusion. User:Djminor2003 (talk) 22:32, 21 December 2009 (GMT)  Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Tim Song (talk) 00:28, 27 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so consensus may be reached.

Delete. Local crime story, not encyclopedic. See WP:EFFECT, WP:PERSISTENCE. If story blows up nationally, can be recreated under Elizabeth Olten murder. THF (talk) 01:34, 27 December 2009 (UTC) rename - This is not just a local crime story, it's international. I live in the UK and saw this on British TV, so it is definitely not just local or national. Yes murders are committed every day (approx 45) in the USA, but what percentage of those are juveniles, on potentially mind altering medication, receiving psychiatric care, committing premeditated murder on another juvenile? This is not your typical murder case and will, almost undoubtedly, increase in notoriety as the case progresses. User:Djminor2003 (talk) 14:08, 27 December 2009 (GMT) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.81.126.13 (talk)
 * Delete. Sad to say, this is not particularly notable. There are dozens of murders every day in the United States. •••Life of Riley (T–C) 01:36, 27 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Keep. This is not a typical murder case. It is likely to increase the controversies related to prescribing psychiatric medication to children and adolescents and to the extent to which mentally ill offenders should be published for their actions. The case and the trial are likely to generate rather more media coverage than more routine murders. - Eastmain (talk) 01:50, 27 December 2009 (UTC)
 * "Likely" as in WP:CRYSTAL? •••Life of Riley (T–C) 03:48, 27 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Rename to Murder of Elizabeth Olten. The story has blown nationally see this |CBS story and this [|MSNBC story. [[User:Grey Wanderer|Grey Wanderer]] (talk) 19:31, 27 December 2009 (UTC)


 * Keep -- Another contributor above notes that there are many murders in the USA every year. Tens of thousands IIRC.  We don't have articles on most of them.  Most murders don't get world-wide coverage.  As User:Eastmain noted, the suspect was a minor, accused of killing a minor.  This event stood out.  Consequently it has been covered in all the verifiable reliable sources required to establish notability.  Geo Swan (talk) 22:45, 1 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Comment -- Consider that Asian resident alien, who killed a bunch of his fellow students a year or so ago. He wasn't just nuts -- like Bustamante his mental health problems had been recognized, but not properly treated.  His lack of treatment was a big part of his story.  And her lack of proper treatment was a big part of hers.  Geo Swan (talk) 01:51, 2 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Delete - This currently is a WP:BIO1E case. I currently do not favor a Killing of Elizabeth Olten article at the momment as the event is too fresh, and any coverage would be likely to violate WP:NOTNEWS. However, I do recognize that there has been more than the usual level of media attention, and if continues and results in sufficent sourcing, an article about the incident could be appropriate. Xymmax So let it be written   So let it be done  16:39, 3 January 2010 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.