Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Amanda Grace


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was no consensus.  Sandstein  09:50, 20 April 2016 (UTC)

Amanda Grace

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Non-notable musician. Grace's career has not yet reached the point of notability. Reaching #2 on the Upcoming100 chart doesn't meet WP:MUSIC as that is not considered a major or official chart, and the reviews appear to be in non-mainstream publications and blogs. WikiDan61 ChatMe!ReadMe!! 20:47, 28 March 2016 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Bands and musicians-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 11:20, 30 March 2016 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Minnesota-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 11:20, 30 March 2016 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, North America1000 06:13, 4 April 2016 (UTC)  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Keep - I have done a bit of research and I now believe the singer to be notable enough. She has a good amount of coverage in various news sources that are used to reference many other articles here. She has also contributed to a sound track for a documentary. The original problem with the article in question is like some of the others here that are put together without the proper referencing and sourcing. I've spent a couple of hours working to improve the article. I'll do some more till I think it doesn't need any more. Karl Twist (talk) 11:03, 4 April 2016 (UTC)
 * Comment Thanks for finding more sources. Unfortunately, all of the coverage is either of the local variety (Grace is from Winona, Minnesota, and many of the sources are from Winona media) or is not significant coverage (press releases, festival lineups, etc). I don't see any significant evidence of anything more than local celebrity in the sources you've found.  WikiDan61 ChatMe!ReadMe!! 13:11, 4 April 2016 (UTC)
 * Reply Hi WikiDan6, yes there is a lot of referencing from Minnesota. She is known wider now and through the Christian networks she has the exposure now as well. Her 2015 single "Los Angeles" has now gained her a wider audience. Karl Twist (talk) 12:49, 5 April 2016 (UTC)
 * Keep Agree with Karl Twist (talk. Just needs a banner asking for more references.VanEman (talk) 16:31, 4 April 2016 (UTC)
 * Comment If more sources are needed, but are not available (which I contend they are not) then the article should not be retained.  WikiDan61 ChatMe!ReadMe!! 11:05, 9 April 2016 (UTC)
 * Delete and Move to Draft instead as I've been watching the AfD and believe this may be best until there are better improvements. SwisterTwister   talk  01:56, 11 April 2016 (UTC)
 * Comment, I think that the article as it is can attract others to improve. That's another reason why it should be kept. There are many Christian publications that are not available online that could have her in them. Often an article when kept active will prompt others to remember articles that they have read in books and magazines. OK, I'm speculating here on this one about what may be in print. But, in other articles I have seen references that are not yet accessible on line. Just hang out at the library on a Saturday afternoon and you'll see what I mean. I'd say that Amanda Grace is in at least 6 that are not yet accessible on line. I still maintain the singer is notable enough to have an article. Deleting it will slow down the chances of prompting others to delve into books and mags I believe. Thanks. Karl Twist (talk) 11:20, 11 April 2016 (UTC)
 * Comment You're relying on the fact that sources might appear. Whether that is true or not, we must judge the article on the basis of the sources that are available. If we let this article remain, poorly sourced as it is, then it will fall off the radar and could remain for years as a poorly sourced article, which would call into question why bother having an AFD process at all? The project has guidelines, and articles must meet the guidelines. In this case, if sources are found in the future, then the article can be resurrected, but for now, it should not be allowed to remain.  WikiDan61 ChatMe!ReadMe!! 21:31, 11 April 2016 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, North America1000 08:00, 12 April 2016 (UTC)
 * Comment I believe the article to be notable enough. It makes the grade so to speak. But for those who are strict with these articles (And we do need strict folk), the longer the article stays, the more it is bound to improve and will statisfy those with the strictest views on what should and shouldn't stay. Karl Twist (talk) 10:33, 12 April 2016 (UTC)
 * Delete. Relies too much on hyper local coverage that is indiscriminate. Playing in a local café is nothing special. Not enough outside that. duffbeerforme (talk) 13:07, 18 April 2016 (UTC)
 * Reply : Duffbeerforme, yes there is a lot of local coverage. That can't be helped. She has a high profile in her state. You say "Playing in a local café is nothing special". Well, that may be so, but she has played a lot of other places. That was just one of the many venues she has played in. BTW: Her single "Los Angeles" was in the Top Five of the Upcoming100.com’s "Emerging Artists" category. Thanks. Karl Twist (talk) 09:36, 19 April 2016 (UTC)
 * WP:BADCHARTS. duffbeerforme (talk) 13:30, 19 April 2016 (UTC)
 * To be fair, Upcoming100.com is not on the WP:BADCHARTS list. Perhaps it should be? In any case, according to the cited source, Upcoming100.com's "Emerging Artists" chart is essentially a popularity contest among the website's visitors to see which emerging (read non-notable) artist should be included in their Upcoming 100 chart. The contest allows the artists to bypass the normal requirements for sales volume. Nothing in this description smacks of "notable". WikiDan61 ChatMe!ReadMe!! 16:05, 19 April 2016 (UTC)
 * Reply to Duffbeerfomre, She was televised in California, appeared on a local station there, being interviewed. (BTW: Sorry about your sig. Not sure what happened there, possibly when I went to C&P your name. That was strange) And again I say that the Local café is just one of the many venues this artist has played in. Karl Twist (talk) 08:37, 20 April 2016 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.