Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Amaryllis Knight (2nd nomination)


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The result was   keep.  Sandstein  17:48, 23 August 2008 (UTC)

Amaryllis Knight
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Procedural listing for User:Fatbat who made a malformed listing with an edit summary of "Amaryllis Knight in no way a TV personality, nor did she "co-star" with Jack Osbourne in the Mongol Rally - she appeared on screen for no more than 5 minutes". No opinion here. Ten Pound Hammer and his otters • (Broken clamshells • Otter chirps • HELP) 21:33, 18 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Keep. Plenty of references in the article, inline citations. Seams notable to me. Callelinea (talk) 04:23, 19 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Weak Delete despite the references/inline citations in the article. The references are either trivial, primary source, and/or unreliable. I say weak because I did find one item in the LA Times which deal somewhat more with her than with the motorcycles but, I don't think that with or without the stuff in the article means she meets the threshold for inclusion. Jasynnash2 (talk) 08:47, 19 August 2008 (UTC)
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 * Keep Meets WP:BIO Notability established through mentions in multiple reliable independent sources. I note that users have deleted things in her page such as Norman Foster being her step father. Her mother and Step-father divorcing does not change the nature of her relationship with him. Galliano7 |  talk  21:19, 20 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Keep Meets WP:BIO I created this article as Amaryllis Knight is of interest to countless people. Her notability is documented in multiple third-party sources, including the The Financial Times, the Los Angeles Times, and the San Francisco Chronicle. She is the owner and co-builder (as per these articles and others) of what has been awarded the "best custom motorcycle company, 2008" by Esquire Magazine UK. The recent motorcycle she built along with her fiancee Ian Barry won "Best Custom Motorcycle" at the only International motorcycle Concours Legend Of The Motorcycle, where she was awarded the prize by Jesse James, along with Ian Barry. Knight has done notable and high profile charity work, as well as appearing along-side Jack Osbourne in the Mongol Rally and Jack Osbourne: Adrenaline Junkie series in three episodes according to IMDB. Knights family are of interest too. Although this is not reason for inclusion, it is of additional interest to many. Agreed with User:Galliano7, that although Knights notable mother divorced her step-father Norman Foster, Baron Foster of Thames Bank, this does not change the fact that Foster was and is indeed, independently her step-father.- Ash773 | talk  20:44, 20 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Comments notability is not inherited so who her parents or step-parents are/may be etc is not remotely relevant to this conversation. Nor is her being the fiancee of anyone (as this also falls under notability is not inherited. The company has won an award (good for them, that still doesn't make her notable), IMDB isn't a reliable source. Being of "interest to countless people" does't make one notable either. It seems to me that all her supposed notabiliy is based on who she is related to, who she knows, or to the company that she co-founded (none of which make her notable in her own right). Jasynnash2 (talk) 08:59, 21 August 2008 (UTC)


 * Keep. Meets WP:BIO Notability established-several independent and reliable sources. Not just the co-founder of the company, but a celebrated custom bike builder who is of public interest to the motorcycle community. Her family/who she is engaged to is not Notable but is interesting. Being a character that has appeared on multiple seasons/episodes of a prime time television show that has aired worldwide is also of public interest, as is her humanitarian work, as seen on Prime time Tv, Oprah and various magazine publications. LAmusic3 | talk  06:47, 21 August  (UTC)
 * Keep. Meets WP:BIO Multiple references - notability and public interest authenticated through independently verifiable and reliable sources.JzoJames | talk  07:17, 21 August  (UTC)
 * Please can you show me where the subject of this article (not her company, or a motorcycle, or her fiancee, etc) has been covered in a significant, non-trivial manner in reliable 3rd party sources. The ones present in the article at the moment don't show this so instead of just saying they exist over and over again, please show them to us. Jasynnash2 (talk) 14:24, 21 August 2008 (UTC)


 * Here are a handful - the motorcycle is a motorcycle she built, that won the most important motorcycle concours in the world this year, and it is in this context that she is mentioned, as well as being mentioned as the owner/ co-founder of the company, a rally car driver, an entrepreneur and having starred in the Mongol Rally with Jack Osbourne.

JzoJames | talk  09:42, 21 August  (UTC)
 * LA Times article December 10th 1997
 * San Francisco Chronicle: Bullet Falcon Built by Ian Barry and Amaryllis Knight
 * Vapors Magazine
 * LA Times article April 30 2008
 * Legend Of The Motorcycle Press Release
 * Intersection Magazine: The Bullet Falcon
 * imdbid=Amaryllis Knight
 * The Mongol Rally
 * The Next Right Thing: Connecting children in medical need with people who can help.
 * The Oprah Winfrey Show: Creative Visions The Name Campaign (started by Knight)
 * Okay. Falconmotorcycles nor IMDB are reliable 3rd party sources. Your ITV and Oprah links still don't work, Press Releases don't normally qualify as reliable 3rd party sourcing, the LAtimes thing you provide isn't about HER and barely mentions her name, please give me something new that I haven't already commented on above that actually meets our criteria for inclusion. Just saying something meets a criteria doesn't cut it. Just saying she is notable doesn't make it so. And just having a group of people that have all worked on the same extremely small group of articles repeat the exact same rationale over and over again doesn't make the subject actually meet said criteria. Jasynnash2 (talk) 08:18, 22 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Falcon Motorcycles is not quoted in the links, an independent article written by Intersection Magazine is available from their site, and that is what the falconmotorcycles link downloads. Oprah link is now working. ITV is still working on this end. 1st LA Times article mentions her multiple times, second LA Times article is about her and the company she started with Ian Barry, the rest of the article pertains to the bike she built and won a show for (as per the San Francisco Chronicle article and others). The Press release is from the site of the largest and most well respected International motorcycle concours in the world, which was attended by 7000 people, and where knight was awarded the prize for "best custom motorcycle" this year for the Bullet Falcon. (refer to San Francisco Chronicle article). People being interested in the same sets of things or people makes sense to me. Are you in the motorcycle world? If you are not a fan or this subject is not your expertise, maybe this is why you are not aware of her and it would be best to leave the subject to be edited by the people in the know. JzoJames | talk  09:26, 22 August  (UTC)


 * Keep. Meets WP:BIO Notable figure in the motorcycle world and culture. Independent refs and citations. Halfmoon3 | talk  18:51, 21 August  (UTC)


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