Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Ambassador of Iceland to East Germany


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep in one form or another. Renames can be discussed elsewhere since there was no consensus here for that.  So Why  07:25, 5 July 2017 (UTC)

Ambassador of Iceland to East Germany

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This is literally nothing but a list of six red-linked names; the obvious parent article East Germany–Iceland relations doesn't even exist, as it was deleted as an implausible redirect itself. PROD tag added, with the only change the non-existent East Germany–Iceland relations redirect changed to Germany–Iceland relations -- which ALSO doesn't exist, since it's merely a redirect to Foreign relations of Germany. Calton | Talk 15:34, 11 June 2017 (UTC)
 * Keep - This is another embassy-themed AfD. My view is that an ambassador is in such a high position of responsibility (and in this case, during a difficult and divisive period of history) that he carries bags of notability within a certain community. Many references for these ambassadors will not be on the Internet, and not be in English. By the way, Ambassador of Iceland to Germany also exists. - Richard Cavell (talk) 19:03, 11 June 2017 (UTC)
 * WP:OTHERCRAPEXISTS. But given that Ambassador of Iceland to Germany is virtually identical to Ambassador of Iceland to East Germany -- this one a list of 14 names, 13 of them red-linked -- perhaps I should put THAT up for AFD. Unless you'd care to provide some evidence that random unrecorded ambassadors are inherently notable? --Calton | Talk 05:17, 12 June 2017 (UTC)
 * AND it turns out the one blue-linked ambassador in Ambassador of Iceland to Germany (Helgi Pálson Briem) is essentially nothing but a bullet-pointed CV of his various postings. --Calton | Talk 05:22, 12 June 2017 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Bilateral relations-related deletion discussions. Shawn in Montreal (talk) 13:34, 12 June 2017 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of History-related deletion discussions. Shawn in Montreal (talk) 13:34, 12 June 2017 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Germany-related deletion discussions. Shawn in Montreal (talk) 13:34, 12 June 2017 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Iceland-related deletion discussions. Shawn in Montreal (talk) 13:34, 12 June 2017 (UTC)


 * delete there is no inherent notability of ambassadors..and similarly a list of non notable ones carries little weight either. If the role actually did something noteworthy perhaps. LibStar (talk) 13:44, 12 June 2017 (UTC)
 * Keep or merge with the ambassador to the Federal Republic article. The current way we display this information may not be optimal, but important diplomats are notable enough to at least keep a list of their names around. —Kusma (t·c) 19:55, 12 June 2017 (UTC)
 * Keep per Kusma Agathoclea (talk) 09:07, 13 June 2017 (UTC)
 * Not a valid vote as WP:PERX. LibStar (talk) 17:41, 26 June 2017 (UTC)


 * Keep. A list of ambassadors is perfectly encyclopedic. Nothing is gained by deleting this article. Srnec (talk) 15:28, 13 June 2017 (UTC)
 * Not we've had other ambassador lists deleted. WP:NOHARM is not a reason for keeping. LibStar (talk) 15:45, 13 June 2017 (UTC)
 * That Wikipedia's coverage of diplomacy is poor is no reason to make it poorer. The red links can be removed if the persons are not notable. The article can be merged with Ambassador of Iceland to Germany if that makes sense. Ambassadors are high-ranking officials and it is perfectly reasonable to keep lists of them around. Srnec (talk) 18:30, 13 June 2017 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Automated comment: This AfD was not correctly transcluded to the log (step 3). I have transcluded it to Articles for deletion/Log/2017 June 13.  —cyberbot I   Talk to my owner :Online 20:48, 13 June 2017 (UTC)
 * Delete -- a nn group; does not meet WP:LISTN. Likewise, the article does not cite 3rd party sources. K.e.coffman (talk) 20:49, 17 June 2017 (UTC)
 * Keep or rename to Germany–Iceland relations, which is currently a redirect. Since this is not the German or Icelandic WP, it is not surprising that the bio-articles remain to be written.  Peterkingiron (talk) 17:13, 18 June 2017 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Ad Orientem (talk) 00:42, 19 June 2017 (UTC)
 * Rename is there an RfC on whether these ambassador-related pages should be considered notable? There do appear to be a large number of them.  This page should probably be renamed to "List of Ambassadors from Iceland to East Germany" (and possibly a List of Icelandic Ambassadors would suffice), but I don't see a case to delete it. Power~enwiki (talk) 03:05, 19 June 2017 (UTC)
 *  Keep or redirect/merge per kusma. d.g. L3X1  (distænt write)   )evidence(  15:12, 26 June 2017 (UTC) edited 13:16, 27 June 2017 (UTC)
 * you need to decide one not have a 3 way bet. LibStar (talk) 17:42, 26 June 2017 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus. Relisting comment: While consensus seems to be clear that this is a notable topic, there is no agreement how to handle it, i.e. whether to keep, merge or redirect. Thus I'm relisting this again to achieve a clearer consensus.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks,  So Why  06:40, 27 June 2017 (UTC)
 * ?? If consensus is it's notable it would be kept. LibStar (talk) 13:45, 27 June 2017 (UTC)


 * Keep - and rename to List of Ambassadors from Iceland to East Germany, as L3X1 suggested. Seems to pass NLIST. I'm not sure if the post itself is notable, but a list of its holders is. Smmurphy(Talk) 18:33, 2 July 2017 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.