Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Amber Rubarth


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   keep. While technically a lack of consensus, the arguments for retention and improvements to the article push it toward a more solid "keep" result. MuZemike 19:43, 27 October 2009 (UTC)

Amber Rubarth

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Doesn't seem to be sufficiently notable per WP:MUSICBIO: unsigned artist, no releases (other than self-releases), no national or international tours, no evidence of radio play, etc. etc. Hux (talk) 07:26, 6 October 2009 (UTC)

Hi, I just added some more information to her page. She is now in an additional project (The Paper Raincoat) which recently was selected as an iTunes Indie spotlight artist in the iTunes store. This band is also touring in support of a high-profile artist Vienna Teng. I'm not sure if this adds to her credentials as an up-and-coming artist. I should say that I was responsible for creating her page and adding most of the content.

I believe that she has toured extensively in North America and also in support of other artists on European tours. Also, a song that she co-wrote won a prize in a respected song-writing competition. Finally, I'd just add that whilst I don't know how widely she has been played on radio, I think it is more prominent that she was featured on NPR's 'All Songs Considered' podcast. This show has a huge following both nationally, and internationally. The WP:MUSICBIO criteria don't seem to cover broadcasts via podcasts or new media. Nod (talk) 07:30, 7 October 2009 (UTC)

NEW COMMENT:

I'm working to gather this information & rewrite/add to the article. She has toured both internationally and is currently on tour with major artists throughout the US from Sept-Dec '09. Amber Rubarth's latest record, Good Mystery, was #1 on the Amie Street (leading indie music download site) charts for several weeks, and has currently reentered the charts at number 15. She also sings in a duo called The Paper Raincoat. Their self-titled record which was released Tuesday 10/6/09 is currently the #1 record on Amie Street. She has received very positive reviews from The Boston Globe, The Huntington Post and many other media outlets.

10/11/09 by Scott Lackey, to reach me email nycsongs@ymail.com. this is the e-mail address for my Twitter pg nycsongs that specializes in nyc musicans, songs and legendary concerts.

This article will be revised to include these factual, sourced details, and many others. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 96.242.220.129 (talk) 23:04, 11 October 2009 (UTC)

 Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Ron Ritzman (talk) 00:22, 13 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so consensus may be reached.


 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Bands and musicians-related deletion discussions.  -- Ron Ritzman (talk) 00:22, 13 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Comment/suggestion to the above editors: You might take a look at the criteria of WP:BAND, and augment the article to demonstrate that she meets one or more of the criteria.  A start towards showing multiple reliable sources mention would be by weaving in the Boston Globe article.--Epeefleche (talk) 04:39, 13 October 2009 (UTC)
 * I'm leaning towards keep now, given the articles--though I'm still not clear whether they militate more for an article on the band (or both on the band and on her). It would be helpful to see others' thoughts as to: a) which two (or more) sources they believe satisfy category 1 of WP:BAND; and b) whether the sources militate more in favor of notability for the band (which doesn't yet have a Wiki page) or for her (this article) or both.--Epeefleche (talk) 00:45, 20 October 2009 (UTC)


 * Keep. I confess I'm not familiar with this singer/songwriter, but she looks notable enough to me. Unsigned status is not in itself an indication of deficient notability: nowadays many musicians choose to release their work independently rather than seek a contract with an established label, in order to retain creative control. Tours with major artists, mainstream media coverage, a prize in a notable competition - that's more than a lot of artists signed to major labels achieve. I'm impressed with the improvements recently made to this article, and commend the editors involved. I've added a mention of the Paper Raincoat interview for The Boston Globe, with footnote reference. From a purely aesthetic perspective, I think a photo or two would improve the article if anyone has suitable free pictures to add. I'd like to see one of Amber Rubarth herself and possibly of the wooden-boxed collectors' edition of the Good Mystery album. Contains Mild Peril (talk) 11:07, 14 October 2009 (UTC)


 * I've added a picture of the collectors edition of 'Good Mystery' as requested. I think I can get Amber to send me a picture of her, or alternatively I will be seeing her play in a few weeks time, so if there is no picture up by then I will take one of her at the gig. Nod (talk) 17:54, 14 October 2009 (UTC)

 Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Ron Ritzman (talk) 00:36, 20 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so consensus may be reached.


 * Relisting comment. The article is a BLP so a second relist is reasonable. --Ron Ritzman (talk) 00:37, 20 October 2009 (UTC)


 * Delete doesnt pass WP:MUSICBIO. There are a lot of references but too many of them are to blogs, primary sources, or those that  mention her only in passing. RadioFan (talk) 22:40, 20 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Reply WP:MUSICBIO imposes no restrictions on references to non-qualifying coverage: criterion 1 is about media coverage which does establish notability, and those which do not are irrelevant to the criterion and do not count against notability. There is more than enough non-trivial coverage (as defined in WP:MUSICBIO) in reliable sources to meet this criterion, including the following:
 * http://www.boston.com/ae/music/articles/2009/07/25/good_fit_for_paper_raincoat/ The Paper Raincoat (Amber Rubarth and Alex Wong) interview feature in The Boston Globe
 * http://www.nevadaappeal.com/article/20050616/NEWS/106160065&SearchID=73215652858185 article about Amber Rubarth in local newspaper the Nevada Appeal
 * http://www.huffingtonpost.com/phil-ramone-and-danielle-evin/dog-ears-music-volume-eig_b_244435.html Amber Rubarth featured in The Huffington Post
 * http://www.venuszine.com/articles/music/features/2128/Scene__Unheard Amber Rubarth profile in Venus Zine
 * http://www.theowlmag.com/features.asp?id=46 Review of Amber Rubarth's Something New album in The Owl's Best Of 2005 feature


 * Notability is demonstrated if the subject meets at east one of the twelve WP:MUSICBIO criteria, and Amber Rubarth meets at least 2: #1 as above, and #9: "Has won or placed in a major music competition." The International Songwriting Competition clearly qualifies as major, with over 15,000 entries, $150,000 worth of prizes and judges such as Tom Waits, Brian Wilson and Jerry Lee Lewis. Contains Mild Peril (talk) 23:47, 26 October 2009 (UTC)


 * Keep. I had to wait until now to be convinced by the newly added footnotes, but even ignoring possibly non-RS sources the artist now meets Cat 1 of WP:BAND in that she "Has been the subject of multiple non-trivial published works whose source is independent from the musician or ensemble itself and reliable." (excluding "Works comprising merely trivial coverage, such as articles that simply report performance dates, release information or track listings, or the publications of contact and booking details in directories").--Epeefleche (talk) 06:42, 24 October 2009 (UTC)
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