Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Amberwood North, Arizona


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The result was delete. Lourdes 17:15, 15 December 2019 (UTC)

Amberwood North, Arizona

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Non-Notable neighborhood which does not pass WP:GNG or WP:GEOLAND Lightburst (talk) 02:35, 8 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Arizona-related deletion discussions. Lightburst (talk) 02:36, 8 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Geography-related deletion discussions. Lightburst (talk) 02:36, 8 December 2019 (UTC)


 * Keep - seems to be a bit of retaliatory nom (along with 4 other articles) for Articles for deletion/John McHugh Sr., which now seems to be headed for the deletion. And since this editor has never shown a propensity for Arizona geography articles. Passes WP:GEOLAND, since, according to GNIS it is has a "an official federally recognized name."  Onel 5969  TT me 03:00, 8 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Comment My !voting record and AfD participation is available for anyone to see. I participate on multiple AfDs across every subject. I am sure Onel5969 has acted in good faith in creating these many non-notable Geoland articles. Unfortunately the fifty or so articles must all be nominated since they do not come close to satisfying SNG or GNG. Since the many articles created are not Legally recognized per the SNG of WP:GEOLAND - they must then pass WP:GNG as Populated places without legal recognition. They clearly do not pass. Lightburst (talk) 03:33, 8 December 2019 (UTC)


 * Delete This is just one of thousands of small sub-divisions in the Phoenix metro area. This showed up in GNIS merely because it was listed in "Living: the "Phoenix Housing Guide V. 6 #1. Dallas, Texas: Baker Publish Inc., 1983/1984." and seems to have been a mistake or premature listing as according to the Maricopa GIS, that area is part of the Western Meadows subdivision and the only Amberwoods of any kind are far away in Chandler. It is not a populated place per GEOLAND#1 and fall far short of GNG required for GEOLAND#2. No place to redirect this one. MB 03:53, 8 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Weak delete This is a bit of a weird one. Amberwood North itself is a mere pre-1984 housing subdivision, which fails WP:GEOLAND #1 as it's part of a larger community. See for an advertisement and proof it's not a standalone populated place. However, in 2006, a group of residents in Chandler, Arizona, probably 30 miles away as the crow flies, got together and named their neighborhood Amberwood North. (What's weird though is most of the coverage of the neighborhood comes from 2006.) So, this particular subdivision is not notable and needs to be deleted, but Amberwood North, Arizona may actually be a marginally valid article per WP:GNG. SportingFlyer  T · C  06:44, 8 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Delete GEOLAND quite clearly states that "subdivisions...housing developments...unofficial neighborhoods" must meet GNG, and there is zero evidence that this does so. I doubt the other Amberwood North is notable just because they created a new unofficial neighborhood, but I don't have access to newspapers.com. Reywas92Talk 09:35, 8 December 2019 (UTC)
 * There's a decent amount of coverage, including how the neighborhood association put the name on all of the street signs. I think someone could clean it up and get it past WP:GNG without a whole lot of work. But that digresses from the subdivision the topic currently discusses. SportingFlyer  T · C  10:39, 8 December 2019 (UTC)


 * Comment - just to correct some misconceptions regarding GNIS and whether or not they are a reliable source for this type of Gazetteer information. All the following information is taken directly from the USGS website (emphasis added is mine):


 * The U.S. Board on Geographic Names (BGN) is a Federal body created in 1890 and established in its present form by Public Law in 1947 to maintain uniform geographic name usage throughout the Federal Government.


 * Decisions of the BGN were accepted as binding by all departments and agencies of the Federal Government.


 * It serves the Federal Government and the public as a central authority to which name problems, name inquiries, name changes, and new name proposals can be directed.


 * The GNIS Feature ID, Official Feature Name, and Official Feature Location are American National Standards Institute standards.


 * The database holds the Federally recognized name of each feature and defines the feature location by state, county, USGS topographic map, and geographic coordinates.  Onel 5969  TT me 02:21, 9 December 2019 (UTC)


 * Delete the place in Phoenix is a non-notable subdivision.John Pack Lambert (talk) 14:25, 11 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Delete - Notability is not established in the article, concerned it cannot be established. ~ riley  ( talk  ) 23:25, 14 December 2019 (UTC)


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