Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Ambrosia Mill, Arizona


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. Consensus of the discussion is that the GNIS designation is probably incorrect per other sources, and even if correct, a GNIS entry does not necessarily indicate a place is "legally recognized" as meant in WP:GEOLAND. RL0919 (talk) 01:07, 22 December 2019 (UTC)

Ambrosia Mill, Arizona

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This is listed in the GNIS as a populated place, but all I can find on the place itself is that it was a manganese mill/refinery, without any evidence it passes WP:GEOLAND #1. Recent AfDs have shown a listing in the GNIS as a populated place does not automatically mean the place qualifies for inclusion in Wikipedia, as the GNIS is only the official federal list for place names and does not convey legal recognition in the same way incorporation would. SportingFlyer  T · C  19:46, 14 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Geography-related deletion discussions. SportingFlyer  T · C  19:46, 14 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Arizona-related deletion discussions. SportingFlyer  T · C  19:46, 14 December 2019 (UTC)


 * Keep - Actually, inclusion in GNIS does show it passes WP:GEOLAND. Just to correct some misconceptions regarding GNIS and whether or not they are a reliable source for this type of Gazetteer information. All the following information is taken directly from the USGS website (emphasis added is mine):


 * The U.S. Board on Geographic Names (BGN) is a Federal body created in 1890 and established in its present form by Public Law in 1947 to maintain uniform geographic name usage throughout the Federal Government.


 * Decisions of the BGN were accepted as binding by all departments and agencies of the Federal Government.


 * It serves the Federal Government and the public as a central authority to which name problems, name inquiries, name changes, and new name proposals can be directed.


 * The GNIS Feature ID, Official Feature Name, and Official Feature Location are American National Standards Institute standards.


 * The database holds the Federally recognized name of each feature and defines the feature location by state, county, USGS topographic map, and geographic coordinates.


 * Hence, inclusion in the GNIS shows that the location is federally recognized, the GNIS then goes further and classifies the location, in this case "populated place", giving it a "federal legalized status".  Onel 5969  TT me 19:53, 14 December 2019 (UTC)
 * As I've noted, the location is called "Ambrosia Mill" by the federal government, but calling it a "populated place" does not convey any legal recognition on the place, it just means the Federal Government has picked a name for that particular feature. Legal recognition means either incorporation or, for unincorporated communities, official designation by the census, and that has been considered in the other recently deleted articles. SportingFlyer  T · C  20:56, 15 December 2019 (UTC)


 * Delete This and this clearly show this was a manganese mine and not a populated place. We have lots of articles mines and a mine article could be developed if there were sources to establish notability. The location was apparently included in GNIS just because it was listed on a topo map (the source in GNIS) but was obviously mis-classified  as a populated place. There is no exemption from GNG because this is obviously not a populate placed as intended by GEOLAND#1, regardless of the mistaken classification in GNIS. MB 20:45, 14 December 2019 (UTC)
 * ^Delete fails WP:GEOLAND. Even if it was a populated place it is not legally recognized as anything other than an area so it does not pass NGEO. Failing that we need to pass GNG, however Reliable sources also do not exist. Lightburst (talk) 02:02, 15 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Delete Just because GNIS has it categorized as a populated place does not mean it actually is one or ever was one, much less one with notability. Look at it on the map and screw your lazy mass-produced "is a populated place" falsehood. Listing in a database of names is not legal recognition, certainly not in the intended meaning of the apparently poorly written geoland. Reywas92Talk 08:23, 19 December 2019 (UTC)


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