Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Ambulance Operators Association of Nova Scotia


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep, thanks to Stalwart111's cleanup. A merge as Bearian suggests would be appropriate in the future.  K rakatoa    K atie   05:13, 4 July 2013 (UTC)

Ambulance Operators Association of Nova Scotia

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Not clear how this organization might meet notability guidelines. Lacks significant coverage in realiable sources. Footnotes provided do not demonstrate notability, the organization is not the primary focus of the source, mention the subject only briefly or not at all. RadioFan (talk) 01:35, 26 June 2013 (UTC)
 * Comment Without the AOANS there would not be the EMS system from the TV show Emergency that became EHS. As outlined in the historical articles and newspaper clips featured. This association is what made EMS in Nova Scotia the world leader it is today. When you read other EMS groups on Wikipedia this group has a foundation, history and direction that shape EMS in Canada.AlmightyMac (talk) 03:19, 26 June 2013 (UTC)


 * Comment This appears to be a history written by the organization itself which, as a primary source, unfortunately does not meet wikipedia guidelines for reliable sources.  The claim that EMS services is in someway connected to Emergency! is not supported by the references provided.   EMS services of the LA County Fire Department evolved around the same time that Nova Scotia's did.  Other fire departments throughout the US established formalized EMS services around the same time.  Without better sources where the association is the primary subject of the source, notability is going to be difficult to establish here.--RadioFan (talk) 04:00, 26 June 2013 (UTC)
 * The link to Emergency is with Dr. Ron Steward AOANS was lobbing the governement for further education and support. Ron came in as Health Minister and created the Murphy report which outlined the future of EMS in Nova Scotia. His dream of a paramedic based health EMS system outside of the fire rescue system. Firefighters vs Paramedics have a long history of conflicts. If it wasn't for AOANS and Ron we wouldn't have the unquic pre-hospital health system we have in Nova Scotia today. AlmightyMac (talk) 01:38, 27 June 2013 (UTC)


 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Nova Scotia-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 01:49, 26 June 2013 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Organizations-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 01:49, 26 June 2013 (UTC)


 * Keep - yeah, the article is an absolute mess and I'm tempted to cite WP:TNT. I might have a crack at cleaning it up. But there are a few sources that provide some early-90s detail and the organisation seems to have been an integral part of emergency service provision in that area, at that time. This is the Government's take on their relationship with the organisation. This academic paper provides some detail about their political campaigns and builds on what is covered in the Government source. I'm inclined to think that an organisation considered by the Government to be part of the history of the area is likely to be notable. If the things claimed in the article actually happened, they would obviously have been the subject of much press coverage so we should keep digging. Stalwart 111  05:31, 26 June 2013 (UTC)


 * Keep – To expand on what Stalwart111 has said, the academic paper mentioned deals significantly with the subject. Chapter 4 deals almost exclusively with the AOANS and contains 54 footnotes (although a number of those are duplicates) that could be used to further develop the article. A number of these references are to newspaper coverage in the Cape Breton Post, The Mirror Examiner, The Vanguard, Halifax Chronicle, etc. A number of the other sources might prove useful in expanding the article to add a section framing the AOANS against the backdrop of health care reform in Canada. Mojoworker (talk) 18:47, 26 June 2013 (UTC)
 * Keep - Interesting articles and sources and should be added to the site.76.11.123.218 (talk) 00:42, 30 June 2013 (UTC)


 * Comment The paper in question covers emergency medical services but this article is about this Nova Scotia based organization.--RadioFan (talk) 22:49, 29 June 2013 (UTC)


 * Merge per my discussion at Articles for deletion/Nova Scotia Paramedic Society, this and Nova Scotia Paramedic Society, into Nova Scotia Emergency Health Services. I think one solid main article could easily be created out of these little ones. Bearian (talk) 22:05, 1 July 2013 (UTC)
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