Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Amelia Ellis


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   no consensus. Skomorokh 14:29, 12 September 2009 (UTC)

Amelia Ellis

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Unremarkable author. Prod tag removed by single purpose account which has previously been used for promoting this author on WP. Delicious carbuncle (talk) 01:28, 29 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Authors-related deletion discussions.  -- Ron Ritzman (talk) 02:20, 29 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Photography-related deletion discussions.  —Hoary (talk) 03:12, 29 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete. Googling brings up very little, other than sales pages for her books. -- Hoary (talk) 03:12, 29 August 2009 (UTC)
 *  Delete  per the lack of relevant, reliable coverage. I have been unable to find any coverage about her on Google News Archive. Cunard (talk) 06:53, 29 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Changed to keep. The reviews below indicate that this author passes WP:CREATIVE. Cunard (talk) 18:45, 9 September 2009 (UTC)


 * Delete: I can't find significant coverage for this author. Joe Chill (talk) 15:14, 30 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Keep: This is a British-German author. Google results vary wildly depending on where in the world you execute the query. Google Germany brings up dozens of relevant secondary sources including many independent book reviews, thus the author clearly meets the notability criteria (WP:CREATIVE Rule 3). (If it is okay to post external links in this discussion, I'll be glad to add some.) Additionally, rule 2 of WP:CREATIVE applies as well as the author arguably has - 25 years after Amateur City by Katherine V. Forrest - created the first post-feminist lesbian mystery (series), a stepping stone in the genre. Dana1964 (talk) 09:52, 1 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Yes do please post external links of independent book reviews. Not a lot of them, instead just the most significant three. -- Hoary (talk) 13:21, 1 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Three independent book reviews available online, all discussing Ellis' first book. The listed sites also feature reviews of other books in the series. I deliberately chose non-LGBT related review sites to highlight the fact that the books have gained attention outside of LGBT media, something few lesbian mysteries achieve. Dana1964 (talk) 00:54, 2 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Book Review 1 (Largest German book review site, 60 dedicated reviewers, >13,000 in-depth reviews.)
 * Book Review 2
 * Book Review 3

 Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Skomorokh  12:04, 5 September 2009 (UTC)
 *  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so consensus may be reached.


 * Weak Keep: The book reviews posted seem decent, it would be better to see something a more mainstream like Der Spiegel. Since it seems that she writes in German, I would be more convinced if she had an article in the German Wikipedia, but she only has a red link in 'Liste der Krimi-Autoren'. There are several links here from list type articles, nothing that would be missed if the article were deleted but enough to be considered.--RDBury (talk) 05:25, 9 September 2009 (UTC)
 * I went ahead and added the first review posted above to the article. It seems not too spammy and has biographical info.--RDBury (talk) 17:53, 9 September 2009 (UTC)


 * Comment The German reviews look ok but otherwise I can't find anything about her, not a thing. Gwen Gale (talk) 09:06, 11 September 2009 (UTC)


 * Strong Keep per ehr notability. i have heard of her. external links point to notability and not the opposit.--Judo112 (talk) 13:05, 12 September 2009 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.