Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/America West Airlines Flight 564


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was Delete. Any merging of text will need to be discussed at the suggested target pages; if anyone would like a copy of this article in their userspace to use as a draft/starting point, just let me know. Qwyrxian (talk) 05:47, 30 November 2011 (UTC)

America West Airlines Flight 564

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Supposed UFO incident. Clearly written from a particular point of view and sourced to two extremely unreliable source. Unless multiple, published, independent sources can be found to support the contents of this article it has no place in an encyclopedia. Prod contested, so bringing here for discussion. Sparthorse (talk) 22:54, 21 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Aviation-related deletion discussions.  • Gene93k (talk) 00:06, 22 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Paranormal-related deletion discussions.  • Gene93k (talk) 00:06, 22 November 2011 (UTC)


 * Delete, and burn with fire - no WP:RS, utter failure of WP:GNG, only two gBook hits are fringe publications. - The Bushranger One ping only 00:11, 22 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Delete, just hot air, like many articles of this type. Alessandra Napolitano (talk) 01:17, 22 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Delete Unless it can be shown conclusively that this incident received sigificant coverage in multiple independent reliable sources. Not fringe sources, not crank sources, but reliable sources. Cullen 328   Let's discuss it  01:58, 22 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Keep Though the article may need attention, the incident is supported by complete Albuquerque ATC communications, both with the plane and NORAD. The flight details and pilots' names are known (Tollefson and Waller, being described as very experienced). The time is accurately known, the location fairly accurately. The unidentified craft itself, is unusual in terms of its estimated size, and the co-pilot's drawing, showing an unconventional craft, indicates his support for the UFO hypothesis. The background of the researcher, Walter N. Webb, is fairly well-known. On the down-side, the information on the case seems largely based on his report: Walter N. Webb, Final Report on the America West Airline Case, May 25-26, 1995, Fund for UFO Research, Washington, D.C., July 1996. There are indeed widely circulated UFO sightings based on completely fabricated claims, but my impression is that this is not one of them. JMK (talk) 15:35, 22 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Delete Needs multiple reliable sources to remain as a stand alone article. Also clearly a case where UFOlogy sources disagree on what was sighted. - LuckyLouie (talk) 16:35, 22 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Delete — NICAP (above source) is definitely reliable, but most other sources on Google I found were not WP:RS. The other external link in the article is a YouTube link, and probably should be removed per WP:ELNO. Pretty much a complete lack of reliable sources except NICAP. Google Books show possible self-published or unreliable works. No establishment that this incident meets WP:GNG.  HurricaneFan 25  15:12, 24 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Delete - Pure fantasy with no reliable sources, and fails notability in any case.Petebutt (talk) 02:07, 27 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Merge useful content into UFO sightings in the United States, or an even better target List of alleged aircraft-UFO incidents and near misses. Although this particular article does not have many redeeming qualities, given the numerous articles we do have on individual UFO sightings I suspect many of the delete !voters above were a bit hasty in their judgment here. This incident is worth a mention in one of our list articles on the topic. -- &oelig; &trade; 08:54, 27 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Merge I'd prefer with merging into the articles stated by OlEnglish above, that makes sense. Meh, you get on this History Channel you are part of human knowledge I guess. I don't think this deserves a stand alone article though. Of course the UFO sightings in the United States and List of alleged aircraft-UFO incidents and near misses articles need attention too, but it makes sense to put the problems in one place and deal with it there. Realpolitik. LoveUxoxo (talk) 10:32, 27 November 2011 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.