Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/American Airlines Flight 633


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   delete. The information is already at American Airlines accidents and incidents, whether to redirect there is an editorial question.  Sandstein  12:02, 3 January 2015 (UTC)

American Airlines Flight 633

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Zero notability as per WP:AIRCRASH, WP:GNG andjust about any other reason you can thinlk of Petebutt (talk) 18:00, 26 December 2014 (UTC)
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So, was I the one who created this article, or? I really don't remember. Anyways, there is only one reference, a table, and text without pictures. I hereby vote this article for deletion. § — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sahibdeep Nann (talk • contribs) 19:42, 26 December 2014 (UTC)
 * Merge/Redirect to American Airlines accidents and incidents per WP:AIRCRASH (though to be honest most of those listed there will be perma-redlinks or circular redirects, and I don't know if they should be included in the list at all). ansh666 19:27, 26 December 2014 (UTC)
 * Merge/Redirect, per Ansh666. -- do ncr  am  21:16, 26 December 2014 (UTC)
 * Commment The article and many/most of those linked from American Airlines accidents and incidents is misnamed, it should be something like "American Airlines Flight 633 accident of MONTH DAY, YEAR".  The article is about one accident/incident, it is not about the Flight 633 which is a route that was presumably run many thousands of times, probably began on a certain date and could have been terminated or might still be running.  Likewise American Airlines Flight 331 and lots of others should be renamed.  The Flight 331 incident one is linked from the list-article with assertion that the accident occurred on 22 December 2009.  Within the article it is really hard or impossible to discern what year the incident occured, and the day is stated to be different, as 23 December.  And I agree many incidents should probably just be listed in the incidents list-article.  All this seems kind of sloppy to me. -- do  ncr  am  21:16, 26 December 2014 (UTC)
 * Commment - it is standard practice hereabouts to name accident articles using the flight number, the year is only added if that flight has more than one accident in the same year. MilborneOne (talk) 13:09, 27 December 2014 (UTC)
 * This is off-track relative to this AFD. But, rrrright, i am aware of the naming practice.  It seems inadequate everywhere, for American Airlines incidents and all other airlines' incidents.  I see your point that a year-date or a more specific date is not needed in the name of an article, unless to distinguish vs. another incident for the same airline and flight number.  But the name should include "incident" or "accident", e.g. it should be "American Airlines Flight 633 accident".  The name is coined within Wikipedia;  it is not referred to as "American Airlines Flight 633" in news reports or any other coverage.  I looked at a safety incident report, one major source, in which it is very hard to find the flight number at all.  What is more salient in a safety incident report is the type of airplane.  That would be an alternative too:  something like "Boeing 747 accident (2005)" or whatever.  The airline and flight number combo, anyhow, does not seem to be the right name for Wikipedia to use in referring to an incident;  the airline and flight number is a route that continues and is simply something different than one incident.  Unless in general press one incident is referred to as exactly the name of the airline and flight number, and in effect the number is "retired" and understood to apply to the one incident, which I think is not usually the case in coverage.  Better naming would label an incident correctly as an incident, in my opinion. -- do  ncr  am  18:14, 28 December 2014 (UTC)
 * Comment - I just googled "AirAsia Flight 8501" and "Malaysian Airlines Flight 370", two recent high profile incidents and found countless news articles that refer to these flights by the airline/flight number, so I would argue this is often the case in coverage - unless there are special circumstances, a continuing flight number for a route is unlikely to be notable (WP:NOTDIR). Dfadden (talk) 23:39, 1 January 2015 (UTC)


 * Delete delete as non-notable no need to redirect every possible non-notable accident. MilborneOne (talk) 13:09, 27 December 2014 (UTC)
 * Delete per MilborneOne....William 18:55, 28 December 2014 (UTC)
 * Delete it is already mentioned in the article Luis Muñoz Marín International Airport with as much, if not more detail than is in this article. Non-notable in terms of a stand alone article. Dfadden (talk) 23:39, 1 January 2015 (UTC)
 * Comment Nomination cites WP:AIRCRASH, even though that essay explicity says: "Because this is an essay and not policy and also because it should not be applied to stand-alone accident articles, it is recommended that it not be cited at Articles for Deletion discussions for either keeping or deleting."
 * I think compliance with WP:BEFORE implies nominators should actually read and understand whatever wikidocuments they cite as arguments for deletion. Geo Swan (talk) 20:00, 2 January 2015 (UTC)


 * Redirect -- I agree with User:Dfadden that Luis Muñoz Marín International Airport seems to provide adequate coverage of the references found so far. I disagree on the resulting action.  Redirect, keeping revision history, not delete, serves the project best.  Geo Swan (talk) 20:06, 2 January 2015 (UTC)
 * Delete - Very non-notable airplane accident with no independent third-party sources, and no assertion of significance. All that is says is that there was a plane crash and that there was no injuries. It almost reads off like a news article - which is what Wikipedia is not.  Aerospeed  (Talk) 04:42, 3 January 2015 (UTC)
 * Also, you could speedy this article under WP:CSD G7 since the author of the article, Sahibdeep Nann, voted for the articles' deletion.  Aerospeed  (Talk) 04:45, 3 January 2015 (UTC)
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