Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/American Catholic Church in the United States (3rd nomination)


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The result was keep. North America1000 16:38, 29 March 2021 (UTC)

American Catholic Church in the United States
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As nominated in the last two deletions, this article is written with unverifiable information and is just a small sect of people. This organization has no real significance compared to the tens of thousands of other random Protestant or Independent Catholic denominations out there so why should this article which was given 16 years of time to make better get any special recognition if most if not all of the information isn't noteworthy. It is a small denomination which had 5,500 members 6 years ago which has no real verifiable or legit information outside of itself, nobody knows if any of these congregations actually exist as there are no Realiable Sources present. Therefore this article should be deleted. KEleison (talk) 08:07, 22 March 2021 (UTC)
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 * Delete The past notion that all denominations were inherently notable was built without grappling with the real meaning of denomination in the US. Realistically there are lots of fully and total independent congregations in the US that are basically free standing denominations. Not all of them are notable, so we have to keep them limited to denominations that can pass some reasonable interpretations of GNG, which this organization is not at all close to doing.John Pack Lambert (talk) 17:40, 22 March 2021 (UTC)
 * Weak keep -- According to the article there are 14 congregations with 5500 members. Accordingly this is rather more than a local church claiming to be a denomination.  The question is not one of whether inforation is verified, but whether it is capable of being verified.  Peterkingiron (talk) 18:16, 22 March 2021 (UTC)
 * Keep. See the sources in StAnselm's comment in the second nomination and Arxiloxos's comment in the first nomination (although I am unable to access some of the newsbank.com links—any help would be appreciated). In particular, the coverage in Texas Monthly and the TimesDaily is significant and in-depth. Regarding the arguments made in favor of deletion so far: the article has been around a long time (WP:IMPATIENT), the number of members is small (WP:ARBITRARY), and other denominations exist but don't have articles (WP:OTHERSTUFFDOESNTEXIST). None of those are valid reasons for deletion. Adumbrativus (talk) 10:49, 25 March 2021 (UTC)
 *  Keep  coverage is limited but there seems to be enough to justify WP: GNG, and general agreement with Adumbrativus above. Pipsally (talk) 02:52, 26 March 2021 (UTC)
 * Keep Coverage is limited but its enough available to satisfy WP:GNG. Ambrosiawater (talk) 09:37, 26 March 2021 (UTC)
 * Keep as has multiple reliable sources coverage such as The Texas Monthly and The Times Daily referenced in the article so the subject passes WP:GNG and deletion is unnecessary in my view, Atlantic306 (talk) 23:27, 28 March 2021 (UTC)


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