Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/American Council for Accredited Certification


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   delete. v/r - TP 16:01, 27 December 2011 (UTC)

American Council for Accredited Certification

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I noticed that there was some back-and -forth editing on this article over the question of whether this is a legitimate accrediting agency or not. However, my search indicated a more significant problem: Is this a notable organization? I was not able to find much in the way of reliable sources that aren't press releases, and without reliable sources, there's no way to verify which of the various parties editing this article is correct. FisherQueen (talk · contribs) 22:27, 6 December 2011 (UTC)
 * Addendum: It looks like the creator also created several redirects that will need to be deleted if this article is not kept. See her contributions. -FisherQueen (talk · contribs) 22:31, 6 December 2011 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Organizations-related deletion discussions.  • Gene93k (talk) 22:40, 6 December 2011 (UTC)


 * 'FisherQueen: I would call ACAC a notable organization because it is a nationally recognized professional certification body whose certifications and/or examinations are named in Federal and State laws and specifications. At the Federal level, ACAC certifications are specified in documents published by the US Army Corps of Engineers, the Naval Facilities Engineering Command, the Air Force Civil Engineer Support Agency, the Air Force Center for Engineering and Environment and the National Aeronautics and Space Administration (NASA): http://www.wbdg.org/ccb/DOD/UFGS/UFGS%2002%2085%2000.00%2020.pdf At the state level, ACAC certifications and/or examinations are named or required for licensing in the following states:  Arkansas (http://plantboard.arkansas.gov/PlantIndustry/Documents/MoldLawFinal.pdf); Florida(https://www.myfloridalicense.com/CheckListDetail.asp?SID=&xactCode=1030&clientCode=0701&XACT_DEFN_ID=13095); Maryland (http://www.dllr.md.gov/license/mhic/mhicmoldwork.shtml); and New York (http://www.health.ny.gov/environmental/indoors/air/mold/task_force/docs/final_toxic_mold_task_force_report.pdf). Additionally, hundreds of websites reference ACAC certifications, and multiple colleges and universities list ACAC as the certifying body for their distance learning courses. As to the back-and-forth editing going on, it seems that the revisions repeatedly posted by Enviro3 and Earthpro (apparently the same person) have a neutral point of view problem, as they are extremely biased against the organization (Envision3 also attempted to start up a Wikipedia page for IESO, which works in the same field as ACAC, but was prevented from doing so due to NPOV problems.  See User_talk:Envision3). Contributions by Cjflame, by contrast, appear generic, straightforward, factual and verifiable.  Litiaq (talk) 23:41, 7 December 2011 (UTC) — Litiaq (talk&#32;• contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.
 * Delete references need to mention the topic, the ones here don't appear to. Stuartyeates (talk) 18:36, 9 December 2011 (UTC)
 * Each of the references either a) requires that individuals hold an ACAC certification, b)requires that individuals take an ACAC examination, or c) discusses ACAC certifications as one method for implementing a state licensing program. 174.125.106.66 (talk) 15:46, 12 December 2011 (UTC)
 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.


 * Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Ron Ritzman (talk) 01:01, 13 December 2011 (UTC)

 
 * Apparently, the State and Federal Laws that Cjflame is referring to are applicable to the American Indoor Air Quality Council. Recent research conducted (which may be verified online thru The State of Arizona Corporate Registry) indicates that the American Council for Accredited Certification (ACAC)and The American Indoor Air Quality Council (AIAQC) are two completely seperate corporate entities. Apparently, everyone assumed that the ACAC had succeeded the AIAQC by a simple change of name. The public records indicate that this was not the case. The Arizona Corporate Registry indicates that there is no association between these corporations and they are not one and the same. In fact, the corporate records indicate that ACAC is merely a trade name that is owned by The Certification Council, Inc., and not the American Indoor Air Qulaity Council. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Earthpro (talk • contribs) 16:58, 13 December 2011 (UTC)  — Earthpro (talk&#32;• contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.
 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.


 * Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks,  Wifione  Message 11:35, 20 December 2011 (UTC)


 * Speedy keep for now With the article under full protection, this does not provide a fair chance for people to edit it and bring it up to standards. I would say close it as keep for now, resolve the conflicts, remove protection, and give it at least a few days to see if it can be improved. Then if not, renominate it. Stedrick (talk) 17:46, 21 December 2011 (UTC)
 * Reply. I haven't seen any signs that either of the involved editors is working on finding sources, or is likely to do so in the future- if any reliable sources are going to be found, or if any rewriting is going to be done, it'll be we uninvolved editors who will have to do it. -FisherQueen (talk · contribs) 17:51, 21 December 2011 (UTC)
 * ''The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.