Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/American Council of Private Colleges and Universities


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.  

The result of the debate was Delete, then redirect. I'm not protecting for the time being, but feel free to post a request on WP:RFPP if problems arise. Stifle (talk) 01:08, 19 April 2006 (UTC)

American Council of Private Colleges and Universities
According to CBS' 60 minutes this "accreditation group was set up by Hamilton University for Hamilton University" According to John Bear it is a "fake accrediting agency set up by the Wyoming-based diploma mill, Hamilton University.". This information is already in Hamilton it is not independent of Hamilton. This article should be deleted and redirected to the main article Hamilton. Is is also tied to American State University (the original name of Hamilton) and the church ran by the Hamilton operator who used said church for religious exemption with Hamilton. Arbusto 03:15, 13 April 2006 (UTC)


 * Delete and redirect to Hamilton University. Arbusto 03:15, 13 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete and Redirect per Arbustoo. Montco 03:20, 13 April 2006 (UTC)
 * After merging any useful, non-redundant information, redirect to Hamilton University. (I don't see why the page needs to be deleted, or why this even had to go to AFD.  I would have just boldly merged and redirected.)   dbtfz talk 03:30, 13 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Apparently because of a revert war over the issue. u p p l a n d 05:57, 13 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete as per nom --Deville (Talk) 03:38, 13 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete and redirect as per above --Mason 03:54, 13 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete and redirect as per above --Ardenn 05:01, 13 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Redirect and protect the redirect page (but put it in Category:Unrecognized accreditation associations first). Allow recreation as independent article, iff it turns out to do business with other diploma mills than Hamilton University under its various names. u p p l a n d 05:57, 13 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete and redirect as per above. SorryGuy 06:42, 13 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Redirect savidan(talk) (e@) 08:34, 13 April 2006* (UTC)
 * Redirect and protect. Categorize per u p p l a n d (above). --MarcoTolo 16:36, 13 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Keep. The question really is does this agency exist and does it accredit? If it accredits we should keep the article. If it does not exist then it should be removed from List of unrecognized accreditation associations of higher learning and this article should be deleted. I would point out that the CBS link above does not name the ACPCU. It was also not named in the video. The John Bear link does not say that this agency is exclusive to Hamilton. Given the inconclusive evidence, I believe the article should be kept. The goal with all these accreditation mill/diploma mill looks to be exposure to me since if we were going by notability this along with most of the articles would be deleted (or merged in a single article since they are all similar scams). Therefore, why reduce the exposure through a redirect? -- JJay 23:55, 13 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Okay, give proof then. If you offer proof that it "accredits" groups that are not Hamilton-related I will change my vote. Arbusto 01:50, 14 April 2006 (UTC)
 * I suggest you reread my comment. -- JJay 01:58, 14 April 2006 (UTC)
 * I suggest you offer proof that it accredits more than Hamilton-related schools. Here is a link listing only one "school" accredited by American Council of Private Colleges and Universities. That "school" is Hamilton and the source is The Chronicle of Higher Education on March 23, 2001. That source is linked in the Hamilton article already. Arbusto 03:11, 15 April 2006 (UTC)
 * I'm well aware of that link since I had posted it to the article talk page. It changes absolutely nothing from my initial comment. -- JJay 03:39, 15 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Okay, so you knew that " listed only one 'school' accredited by American Council of Private Colleges and Universities" and yet you posted there is "inconclusive evidence" without offering any proof to contradict the The Chronicle of Higher Education. Arbusto 23:27, 15 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Yes, the link says that this was set up by Hamilton. No one is disputing that. How many times do you intend to post the same link? Or for that matter, how long do you want this to continue? Given the present line-up on this page, I hardly think that the article is going to be kept. -- JJay 00:44, 16 April 2006 (UTC)
 * The point wasn't that it was set up by Hamilton. The point was that article includes schools connected to various fraudulent accreditors. There is only one "school" listed as "accredited" by American Council of Private Colleges and Universities, which is Hamilton. The other fake accreditors mention various schools and even the vague "and others." That is the point of the link. Arbusto 01:10, 16 April 2006 (UTC)
 * See my initial comment above. -- JJay 01:47, 16 April 2006 (UTC)


 * Delete per nom. Tijuana Brass 07:25, 18 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Merge anything relevant and non-repetitive to Hamilton University and then redirect. Wstaffor 22:02, 18 April 2006 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.