Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/American Graphics Institute


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   keep.   A rbitrarily 0   ( talk ) 01:13, 1 December 2009 (UTC)

American Graphics Institute

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Self-advertisement by obscure company; what few references we get are tangential to a conference it sponsors. Orange Mike  &#x007C;   Talk  01:43, 17 November 2009 (UTC)


 * Delete, fairly obvious advertising without a ream showing of importance. - Smerdis of Tlön (talk) 15:13, 17 November 2009 (UTC)


 * Keep per WP:HEY and meets WP:V. Their conference attracts speakers like Michael Eisner, Al Gore, and Marissa Mayer which should be enough to meet WP:N and it is much larger than MIX_(Microsoft). Their large number of current books published by Wiley_Publishing also meets WP:N. Edward Dewey 05:53, 19 November 2009 (UTC)
 * response - Notability is not inherited; the company does not become notable because its staff may be notable; far less because its staff had books published by a notable publisher. Notability is not contagious; you cannot "catch" notability by being a customer or patron of a notable person. Hiring a notable speaker does not make me or my event, be it conference or bar mitzvah, notable. -- Orange Mike   &#x007C;   Talk  16:43, 19 November 2009 (UTC)
 * response - The organization is notable at face value. They host an annual event that attracts more than 9,000 people and has been running for many years - unlike a one-time bar mitzvah. Even without the speakers, the event is notable. You don't just call Google and hire their execs or Apple board members to speak like you do a DJ at a bar mitzvah, so I think the comparison is off-base. The idea that all these companies come together to support an event shows notability for the event, as does the size and the history. They also publish books - the links show that they have their own imprint jointly published with Wiley and distributed globally, and the organization is listed as the author of the books. So they are a publisher and author with multiple book titles that are distributed globally, not just a company that happens to have a few employees as authors. Recently updated links show that they create books that are being used by schools around the world. You could even return to your alma-matter's library and find their books: AGI Photoshop book at UW library and AGI Dreamweaver book at UW library. The entry could use some minor clean-up, but keeping it is the right thing to do as it meets WP:N on its own and clearly WP:V. In the spirit of WP:HEY I encourage you to take another look at the entry with its updates. Edward Dewey 16:01, 20 November 2009 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Edward Dewey (talk • contribs)
 * Correction: Those books are in the library of the University of Wisconsin-Madison; I am an alumnus of the University of Wisconsin-Milwaukee (and briefly attended the University of Wisconsin-Green Bay). My only connection to the entity in Madison is through all of my Union brothers and sisters (AFSCME Locals 2412 and 171) who work there. -- Orange Mike  &#x007C;   Talk  18:45, 20 November 2009 (UTC)

 Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Tim Song (talk) 01:27, 24 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so consensus may be reached.


 * Weak Keep An organization that writes or publishes a number of standard books in its field can become notable by doing so. It is their activities that make organizations (and people) notable. I think they have that role for Adobe software. It would be nice to have some better references, though, such as 3rd party reviews of the books that specifically talk about the organization.    DGG ( talk ) 06:12, 24 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Weak Keep per Dewey.  Just enough indicia of notability.--Epeefleche (talk) 09:09, 28 November 2009 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.