Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/American Indian Committee on Alcohol and Substance Abuse


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. Kurykh (talk) 04:57, 28 February 2017 (UTC)

American Indian Committee on Alcohol and Substance Abuse

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I am having a hard time finding in depth discussion of this program or organization from reliable secondary sources. I declined a speedy delete A7 request, but notability seems doubtful right now. Thoughts...? Ad Orientem (talk) 19:20, 31 January 2017 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Health and fitness-related deletion discussions. Shawn in Montreal (talk) 19:49, 31 January 2017 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Organizations-related deletion discussions. Shawn in Montreal (talk) 19:49, 31 January 2017 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of United States of America-related deletion discussions. Shawn in Montreal (talk) 19:49, 31 January 2017 (UTC)


 * Why should an article which originated April 2015, nearly 2 years ago, be on a speedy delete list. If it lasted this long, IMHO it should be given 30 days of being open to serious comment, unless a senior editor thinks it slipped "under the radar" for VERY serious problems, e.g. copyright.  The second time I faced a standard-speed 7-day delete I asked that someone please "shape it, don't drape it" (meaning don't bury it).
 * The topic is serious material, even if the article itself is below Wiki standards. Intentionally not having an entry for this organization, which originated over 4 decades ago and was listed on something published 3 years ago seems below why so many people turn to Wiki - not just correctness, but a sense of wide-ranging coverage of topics.
 * There obviously is a bug in the Wiki software that even allows something that lasted this long to be eligible for a publicly visible speedy delete, without an administrator getting involved.   Pi314m (talk) 05:20, 2 February 2017 (UTC)


 * This organization, under its former name American Indian Committee on Alcohol and Drug Abuse, is listed in the 2-volume

Encyclopedia of American Indian Issues Today. and is listed among other American Indian organizations in 1971
 * Comment The article is not on a speedy delete list. It is at Articles for Deletion a venue for the community to discuss articles where there is doubt about whether or not they meet our standards for inclusion. We don't give special privileges to articles because they have been around for a certain period of time. -Ad Orientem (talk) 14:01, 3 February 2017 (UTC)


 * Renaming article to "The Office of Indian Alcohol and Substance Abuse (OIASA)"

It would seem that a better name for the article is "The Office of Indian Alcohol and Substance Abuse (OIASA)" since the only text in the article from before I saw it was copied from the https://www.samhsa.gov/tloa government web site describing them.

As for the names "American Indian Committee on Alcohol and Drug Abuse" (and its successor "...Alcohol and Substance Abuse" they could be listed as an example of one of the government agency's "federal partners" as per
 * The Office of Indian Alcohol and Substance Abuse (OIASA) and its federal partners provide tribes with technical assistance and resources that help communities achieve their awareness, prevention, and treatment goals. The OIASA is required under the Tribal Law and Order Act (TLOA) to coordinate those resources. The office supports a holistic framework reinforcing the belief that the mind, body, and spirit are all connected to health and that tribes know best how to solve their own problems through prevention activities and community partnerships. Pi314m (talk) 11:01, 3 February 2017 (UTC)
 * We generally do not move articles at AfD w/o consensus since it can create confusion with regards the name of the AfD discussion. -Ad Orientem (talk) 14:11, 3 February 2017 (UTC)
 * FYI. I recommended that  respect the more common formatting on his talk page here.  --David Tornheim (talk) 19:21, 26 February 2017 (UTC)