Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/American Indian creationism


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. Consensus appears to clearly favour deletion and the merge argument appears to have been adequately addressed. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk, contributions) 17:18, 12 July 2019 (UTC)

American Indian creationism

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This is an article that I mistakenly thought was an appropriate umbrella term referring to creationist beliefs among Native Americans, but it turns out that the invective is really only prominently mentioned as a criticism of Vine Deloria Jr. and almost no one else. Therefore, it is inappropriate for Wikipedia to be promoting this term as a subject independent of criticism of this particular person's ideas. The few other sources which mention this idea do so in an off-handed enough way to make it clear that we probably should simply not have an article on the subject per WP:NFRINGE.

Note that the article has been heavily edited to try to adhere to properly encyclopedic topics, but this accounting is best described as a WP:CFORK of creation myth. jps (talk) 12:15, 5 July 2019 (UTC)


 * Delete or merge. The article name is misleading, in as much as it suggests there is a unified "creationism" among native Americans. The very fist line of the article ditches the term in favour of "Native American creation stories", which might be a good title for a book in comparative anthropology (and possibly a hard-to-write article, based on that book and similar sources ;-). The existing article has a lot of sources, but I had a hard time figuring out what it was about - it seems to make a lot of unstated assumption. I think the points about Deloria are or can be covered better elsewhere. --Stephan Schulz (talk) 12:42, 5 July 2019 (UTC)


 * Merge. Since the article focuses on one person, Vine Deloria Jr., a criticism section could (should?) be created, cutting the majority of criticism from the writing section and adding it and the content from this article to the section. There is also the article on Red Earth, White Lies which is very similar to this article as it stood and stands now. Indigenous girl (talk) 16:24, 5 July 2019 (UTC)


 * Delete. The only usable content is already included, and covered more concisely and accurately, at Vine Deloria Jr. and Red Earth, White Lies. - CorbieV  ☊ ☼ 18:24, 5 July 2019 (UTC)


 * Delete no need to merge as pointed out above. Doug Weller  talk 18:39, 5 July 2019 (UTC)


 * Delete I have just read both Vine Deloria Jr. and Red Earth, White Lies and find that the coverage is already adequate. — Paleo  Neonate  – 22:47, 5 July 2019 (UTC)


 * Delete - Cant add anything more than what's already been stated MaskedSinger (talk) 17:32, 7 July 2019 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.