Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/American Pie (Madonna song)


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was Speedy Keep 2d as "nominations that are clearly an attempt to end an editing dispute through deletion, where dispute resolution is a more appropriate course". Admin should know better.... (non-admin closure) KTC (talk) 15:24, 5 June 2012 (UTC)

American Pie (Madonna song)

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This is a procedural nomination. I removed the section in American Pie (song) on the Madonna version of this song, and placed it into its own separate article, which already existed as a redirect. User:Richhoncho redirected it again, based upon WP:SONGCOVER. However, that page is only a Wikiproject suggestion, and cannot override the fact that this song obviously meets WP:GNG (over 30 references), and also meets WP:NMUSIC (the song was number one in over a dozen national charts, and went platinum or gold in half a dozen). As such, this should be kept as a standalone article, notwithstanding some Wikiproject's attempt to override sitewide consensus. Thus, the easiest way to find a clear decision community consensus is to open an AfD. Qwyrxian (talk) 08:53, 5 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Albums and songs-related deletion discussions. &#9733;&#9734;  DUCK IS JAMMMY &#9734;&#9733; 09:04, 5 June 2012 (UTC)


 * Procedural close as AFD is not dispute resolution - both involved editors consider the content notable, this is simply an argument over split vs merge. No criticism for the bold split but after reversion took place a discussion should have been opened, per WP:SPLIT. If discussion was not fruitful, an RFC or third opinion should have been looked at. ŞůṜīΣĻ ¹98¹ Speak 09:36, 5 June 2012 (UTC)
 * This isn't a split. This is a new article created from content that happened to be in another Wikipedia article. The other editor is essentially using redirection as a form of summary deletion without discussion. AfD is the best way to get that discussion. Am I wikilawyering? Perhaps, but it's something I almost never do. Furthermore, note that, as a general rule, I am a mergist and deletionist, and even I'm saying that it's unbelievably obvious that merging this is absolutely unacceptable. The other editor is somehow arguing that the default position is merge, based upon a Wikiproject page, which is ludicrous for a subject this obviously notable. Since the other editor is insisting that I somehow have to generate a consensus for the default position, this is the easiest way to establish what the correct position is. Qwyrxian (talk) 11:01, 5 June 2012 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.