Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/American Presbyterian Church


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   keep. and rename to American Presbyterian Church (founded 1977). I have not created any dab pages as suggested, but I concur with the idea that they would be useful. &mdash;Darkwind (talk) 04:00, 7 April 2013 (UTC)

American Presbyterian Church

 * – ( View AfD View log  Stats )

Small Christian denomination that consists of two congregations. (Don't be fooled by the name.) Of the sources used, only one is non-primary and it's merely a directory entry.  Blanchardb -Me•MyEars•MyMouth- timed 17:42, 30 March 2013 (UTC)
 * Keep. I think that all denominations can be presumed to be notable. That is because there are plenty of encyclopaedias and handbooks that explain denominational differences and distinctives. This one is no different - it has an entry in the Encyclopedia of American religions published by Gale. StAnselm (talk) 00:41, 31 March 2013 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Christianity-related deletion discussions. StAnselm (talk) 00:43, 31 March 2013 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Organizations-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 18:48, 31 March 2013 (UTC)


 * Keep St Anselm, if you're sure that Melton mentions them. But the title is a problem, "American Presbyterian Church" in books does not refer to this two-congregation splinter group founded in 1977. American Presbyterian Church (founded 1977) or some other parenthetical disambiguation is needed. In ictu oculi (talk) 03:03, 1 April 2013 (UTC)
 * Keep but rename and convert original to disam page. I disagree with St Anselm that all denominations (of which there are at least 14,000 Christian alone) are inherently notable, but inclusion in Melton's Encyclopedia of America Religions does definitely demonstrate notability of this one.  I also agree with In ictu oculi that a name change is in order.  My suspicion is that the vast majority of people who type in "American Presbyterian Church" are looking for Presbyterian Church (U.S.A.).  My suggestion would be for this to be a redirect to American Presbyterian Church (disambiguation) and the current page to be renamed along the lines of American Presbyterian Church (denomination).  I recognize that, technically, this may be a little over complicated, but considering the very likely fact that this specific small denomination is not the target of the majority who type in the name, I think it is warranted.  Ravendrop 18:22, 1 April 2013 (UTC)
 * Delete (or, at best, merge into parent denomination and redirect) – I don't agree that denominations are inherently notable, they should be treated as per WP:NGO. I have no experience of Melton's Encyclopedia and would ask if it is anything more than an attempt to provide a comprehensive annotated list of American religious groups?  Unless it provides clear criteria for selection which imply notability the mere listing is clearly not notable. Jpacobb (talk) 21:03, 1 April 2013 (UTC)
 * delete per jpacobb 14:50, 4 April 2013 (UTC)
 * Keep to allow sources such as those suggested by StAnselm to be added. --Metropolitan90 (talk) 05:13, 6 April 2013 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.