Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/American Rare Breed Association (2nd nomination)


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The result was keep. (non-admin closure) Sulfurboy (talk) 16:48, 28 April 2020 (UTC)

American Rare Breed Association
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Fails GNG. Completely non-notable kennel club that exists for fanciers of dog breeds or types that are not recognised by the world’s largest kennel club, the American Kennel Club. I have added the sole citation in the article, the only other independent sources I could find were various breed e-books that churn out almost identical information for every breed imaginable, many of which were "cited" in the last deletion nomination. Cavalryman (talk) 05:59, 6 April 2020 (UTC)
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Keep per the significant coverage in multiple independent reliable sources.     </li> </ol>

<ol> <li> The article notes: "It started eight years ago when friends John Slack, a professor, and Anita Bryant, the entertainer, weren't permitted to register their jointly owned Neapolitan Mastiff with the American Kennel Club. 'There are over 400 breeds in the world, but the AKC recognizes only 148,' says Slack. 'We thought, Why not give everybody--even people on back porches and in the swamps--a chance to promote their dogs?' And now, each year, so-called rare dogs (actually, any breed not recognized by the AKC, regardless of its numbers) come to Washington, D.C., to compete for Best of Breed. In April more than 600 canines turned up. Some were hairless, some too hairy, some were just plain odd. There were Norwegian Lundehunds, 13-pounders bred to hunt puffins in the rocky crevices of European islands. And Nova Scotia Duck Tolling Retrievers, with rusty water-repellent coats and tails they use to lure birds toward their masters' guns. And Canary Dogs, emigres from the Canary Islands that look like pit bulls but actually, says one enthusiast, are 'terribly sweet." The article contains photographs of and discusses a Bergamasco, a Peruvian Inca Orchid, a Coton de Tulear, a Neapolitan Mastiff, an American Bulldog, a Dogue de Bordeaux, and a Xoloitzcuintli that were at the show.</li> <li> The article notes: In only four years, the American Rare Breed Association has literally grown by leaps and bounds, far beyond the founders' expectations, says Anita Bryant of Washington, D.C. Last week, the Pacific Northwest discovered why. The Salmon Run Classic dog show, one of 14 stops on a national circuit, attracted nearly 200 entries, showcasing exotics such as the Fila Brasileiro, Cane Corso, Tosa Ken, Lowchen, Karelian Bear, Beauceron, Spinone Italiano, Peruvian Inca Orchid and many more. ... The seeds for ARBA were planted in that corn field. In April 1991, the ARBA conducted its first event, the Cherry Blossom show in Washington, D.C., attracting 250 entries. Today it lists 270 breeds worldwide. For those recognized by the Federation Cynologique Internationale, the standard written by the kennel club of the country of origin is accepted. </li> <li> The article notes: "'Everyone starts somewhere,' says Bob Slack, the current director and driving force behind the American Rare Breed Association. ARBA was founded to give rare-breed owners a venue ot exhibit their dogs, as well as an opportunity to sample the dog-show experience. ... In 1991, brothers Bob and John Slack, Anita Bryant and Sheila Counts banded together to form an organization that would showcase uncommon breeds in a series of shows across the United States. This quartet of rare-breed owners founded ARBA, although Bryant and Counts later opted out. The first show was held in April 1991, in Washington, D.C., and attracted approximately 45 breeds, from Anatolian Shepherds to Xoloitzcuintli. ... In 2008, ARBA held 31 show weekends spread over 14 states. Entries — usually about 50 to 60 dogs per show — aren't as large as those at AKC shows, but the atmosphere is relaxed and friendly. With dwindling entries caused by the sluggish economy, as well as more breeds gaining AKC recognition, ARBA has instituted a new program called Kennel Club USA for all breeds."</li> <li> The article notes: "Showcasing rare breeds has been the forte of the American Rare Breed Association, a 14-year-old organization based in Maryland, which holds shows all around the U.S. There are 31 show weekends slated for 2004, with four or five shows per weekend. For confirmation purposes, the breeds are divided into seven groups: Companion, Herding, Hounds, Spitz and Primitive, Sporting, Terrier, and Working. The Winners Dog and Winners Bitch in each breed may be awarded a CACUS (Certificate of Aptitude for Championship in the U.S.), if — and only if — the judge has rated the dog 'Excellent.' To earn an ARBA championship, a dog must earn nine CACUS cards under a minimum six different judges. If the breed is recognized by the Fédération Cynologique Internationale, the dogs are judged by that standard. Otherwise, either the standard of the country of origin is utilized, or ARBA accepts standards from breed clubs recognized by the organization."</li> <li> The abstract notes: "Focuses on the registries of rare dog breeds in the United States. Information services offered by breed clubs; Recognition of the breeds by the American Kennel Club; Formation of the American Rare Breed Association (ARBA) patterned after the Federation Cynologique Internationale (FCI) in Belgium; Background on the FCI; Other registries that allow rare breeds."</li> </ol>

There is sufficient coverage in reliable sources to allow American Rare Breed Association to pass Notability, which requires "significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject". Cunard (talk) 10:15, 8 April 2020 (UTC)</li></ul>


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 * weak Keep - well, Britannica mentions them, but then I saw the first red flag here, and then found more sources that satisfy verifiability and GNG, such as an The Master Plan, pg 320, Grand Strand Magazine, Dog Eat Dog, pg 81, an AP archive story and so on. Not the best sources but together they add up and corroborate the association's existence. They keep records and establish rare breeds for recognition by AKC. <span style="text-shadow:#F8F8FF 0.2em 0.2em 0.4em,#F4BBFF -0.2em -0.3em 0.6em,#BFFF00 0.8em 0.8em 0.6em;color:#A2006D">Atsme Talk 📧 02:56, 10 April 2020 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Barkeep49 (talk) 02:13, 14 April 2020 (UTC) <div class="xfd_relist" style="border-top: 1px solid #AAA; border-bottom: 1px solid #AAA; padding: 0px 25px;"> Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, <b style="color: White">b</b><b style="color: White">uidh</b><b style="color: White">e</b> 15:01, 21 April 2020 (UTC)
 * Keep per the sources identified above. — Toughpigs (talk) 15:24, 21 April 2020 (UTC)


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