Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/American Society for Metabolic & Bariatric Surgery


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was Keep. (non-admin closure) --Lord Roem (talk) 18:47, 29 November 2012 (UTC)

American Society for Metabolic & Bariatric Surgery

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Bariatric surgery appears to be a notable topic - it is discussed in depth in independent reliable sources. This organisation (or its members) appears to be a useful source of opinions or information on that topic, but is not notable itself - the organisation itself is not discussed in depth in independent reliable sources. --Demiurge1000 (talk) 20:07, 8 November 2012 (UTC)
 * Comment - I am not knowledgeable enough on the topic to opine; however, I will provide additional information that I found. HighBeam has approximately 300 articles but not sure which sources would be notable or not for this article. Also, Google news does turn up information when you use the acronym "ASMBS"  Again, I will not opine as I am not familiar enough with the topic to sort through the sources stated herein. --UsedEdgesII (talk) 20:33, 8 November 2012 (UTC)
 * Blocked sockpuppet. MER-C 13:15, 9 November 2012 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Medicine-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 14:54, 9 November 2012 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Organizations-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 14:54, 9 November 2012 (UTC)


 * Weak keep It's hard to find coverage ABOUT the society, but that's true of many notable societies. The organization has been around for 30 years, holds annual meetings, and has multiple state chapters. It seems to work in cooperation with other professional societies. It has a program for certifying nurses (RNs, not just anybody) in the specialty. It seems to be mainstream and respected, and an article about it seems appropriate. --MelanieN (talk) 20:20, 10 November 2012 (UTC)
 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.


 * Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, -- Cheers, Riley   Huntley  00:59, 15 November 2012 (UTC)

 
 * Delete. A search for significant reliable and independent sources about the organization came up empty. Notability not established in accordance with WP:ORG. Cindy  ( talk to me ) 03:34, 16 November 2012 (UTC)
 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.


 * Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, -- Cheers, Riley   Huntley  01:38, 22 November 2012 (UTC)


 * Keep - Ignore All Rules to improve the encyclopedia; this is the type of information that should be in a comprehensive encyclopedia. There aren't a lot of books or articles about scholarly societies and that fact is never going to change. The fact that we don't currently have a reasonable special notability guideline for such groups should not be used as a cause to delete this sort of information. We have accurate, verified content, do we not? Carrite (talk) 16:08, 22 November 2012 (UTC)
 * I'd also like to put into play the information stricken above — THIS SEARCH of High Beam returns a passel of references to the American Society for Metabolic & Bariatric Surgery. Included are THIS from Medical Device Daily about the group adding the "Metabolic" to its name in 2008 (possibly the cause of difficulty finding sources, eh?), as well as THIS from Managed Care Weekly Digest on the society's national accreditation program for bariatric surgery centers. It's a GNG pass in addition to what should have been an IAR keep... High Beam Subscriptions required for links. Carrite (talk) 16:14, 22 November 2012 (UTC)


 * Comment. They've helped generate clinical practice guidelines (an important type of WP:MEDRS) see . This type of activity has some sort of an influence over national medical practices. Biosthmors (talk) 01:17, 25 November 2012 (UTC)
 * Strong Keep Biosthmors's point is highly relevant - generation of guidelines in WP:MEDRS is an strong indication of notability (impact) for a medical society like this one. Additional examples (there are at least 10):, , .  -- Scray (talk) 12:16, 26 November 2012 (UTC)
 * Keep per Melanie. It will not hurt, and may improve, the Project. Bearian (talk) 19:32, 26 November 2012 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.