Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/American Vegetarian Party (2nd nomination)


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The result was keep.  Sandstein  23:01, 25 August 2019 (UTC)

American Vegetarian Party
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Defunct political party or parties that never achieved ballot access - let alone elected a candidate - and does not appear to have achieved substantial, non-trivial coverage in multiple reliable independent secondary sources. Article was previously deleted and brought back with no real justification or evidence of notability and no notification of myself. Toa Nidhiki05 01:36, 18 August 2019 (UTC)
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 * Delete The party never achieved anything. Trillfendi (talk) 22:56, 18 August 2019 (UTC)
 * Keep The subject is covered in detail in numerous sources including the following:
 * Vegetarian Times
 * The Oxford Companion to American Food and Drink
 * Sins of the Flesh: A History of Ethical Vegetarian Thought
 * The Great American Medicine Show
 * Vegetarian America: A History
 * The New Yorker
 * TIME magazine
 * Encyclopedia of Third Parties in the United States
 * Other aspects of the nomination such as the lack of electoral success or the failure of the previous nomination are irrelevant. Andrew D. (talk) 23:56, 19 August 2019 (UTC)
 * These sources are of questionable value to meet WP:ORGCRIT, which requires substantial, non-trivial coverage from multiple independent secondary sources. The only sources of any detail appear to be 2 (which is an article about oddity parties, apparently) and 5, both of which are behind paywalls. Of the ones currently in the article:


 * 1) The Oxford Companion to American Food and Drink - One paragraph mention that the party existed and a few of its candidates. Not in-depth coverage. Does not meet WP:ORGCRIT.
 * 2) Vegetarianism and veganism - One brief paragraph on the party having existed and having won four total votes in the 1948 election. Much of it references the fact it was founded by Symon Gould - this is a potential merge target. Does not meet ORGCRIT.
 * 3) Vegetarian Party Quits - Tiny article less than two paragraphs noting its candidate had dropped out. Does not meet WP:ORGCRIT.
 * 4) Guide to the Presidency and the Executive Branch - Listing of the party's nominee. Clearly does not meet ORGCRIT.
 * The fact that this party apparently won, at most, four votes, and that coverage does not seem to go beyond the thing existing is strong evidence this article fails WP:ORGCRIT. Anything useful could almost certainly be merged to Symon Gould, the party's founder. Toa Nidhiki05 01:58, 20 August 2019 (UTC)
 * The sources all look fine as WP:SIGCOV and the nominator fails to address the most encyclopedic of them: Encyclopedia of Third Parties in the United States. I've not had a sight of its entry for this party yet but one certainly exists as the Library Journal review says"Such well-known parties as the Black Panthers and the Communist Party of the U.S.A. are featured as well as such lesser-known ones as the Anti-Monopoly Party and the American Vegetarian Party. Approximately 80 narrative entries of one to ten pages in length describe the history of each party, and references to further information in books and periodical articles are given at the end of each entry."


 * My !vote stands. Andrew D. (talk) 09:35, 20 August 2019 (UTC)
 * See WP:ORGCRIT’s listing of encyclopedias as trivial coverage. Toa Nidhiki05</i> 10:37, 20 August 2019 (UTC)
 * WP:ORGCRIT has
 * ''Examples of substantial coverage that would generally be sufficient to meet the requirement:


 * ''A news article discussing a prolonged controversy regarding a corporate merger,
 * ''A scholarly article, a book passage, or ongoing media coverage focusing on a product or organization,
 * ''A documentary film exploring environmental impact of the corporation's facilities or products,
 * ''An encyclopedia entry giving an overview of the history of an organization,


 * So, the existence of an encyclopedia entry suffices and WP:ORGCRIT is passed. Q.E.D. Andrew D. (talk) 10:52, 20 August 2019 (UTC)
 * See the section on trivial coverage, namely that inclusion in indiscriminate lists of information does not count. The fact we have no idea what this entry says, if it is even there, indicates this should not be considered. <i style="color: green; font-family: Mistral;">Toa</i> <i style="color: green; font-family: Mistral;">Nidhiki05</i> 10:57, 20 August 2019 (UTC)


 * Keep It's only been three days since the discussion began, but I have found that this article develops the subject of public presence in a way not covered by other articles. Something needs to unify people, and if political parties are not primary tools of that unification because the communities that would be unified are so diverse with regard to themselves, what other means are extant to unify them?  In the history of an evidently growing theme in American social history, the participation of what once was The Vegetarian Party played a part in its time, and the work done on and for this article is substantial and valuable, I would tend to think. I vote to retain the article (and perhaps develop it further). MaynardClark (talk) 16:23, 21 August 2019 (UTC)
 * Keep per non-trivial news coverage over several years. St. Louis Post-Dispatch (St. Louis, Missouri)16 Aug 1956, Page 5.  The Lincoln Star (Lincoln, Nebraska)18 Aug 1960, Page 4.  The Morning Call (Paterson, New Jersey)18 Aug 1960, Page 6.  Lansing State Journal (Lansing, Michigan)18 Aug 1960, Page 8.  The Daily Tribune (Wisconsin Rapids, Wisconsin)03 Nov 1952, Page 14.  Democrat and Chronicle (Rochester, New York)03 Jul 1952, Page 16.  Valley Times (North Hollywood, California)17 Aug 1960, Page 8.  The Courier-News (Bridgewater, New Jersey)05 Aug 1947, Page 8.  The Orlando Sentinel (Orlando, Florida)21 Jul 1988, Page 91.  lots more.   78.26  (spin me / revolutions) 03:52, 25 August 2019 (UTC)
 * Keep WP:GNG is clearly met. A paragraph is more than a trivial mention. --Crystallizedcarbon (talk) 08:27, 25 August 2019 (UTC)


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