Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/American West

 This page is an archive of the proposed deletion of the article below. Further comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or on a Votes for Undeletion nomination). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result of the debate was keep. -JCarriker 18:12, July 18, 2005 (UTC)

American West
Please delete this article. I am the one who wrote it. I spent several weeks researching the material and organizing it to come up with a barebones outline of an article. I fully intended to expand it but health problems intervened. I never once considered it a controversial subject but have since been accused of bad faith in its creation, my efforts belittled, and I have been lectured rather than asked for sources. In addition the page seems to have become somewhat of a magnet for those pursuing an opinionated rather than a scholarly approach to the subject. I would therefore ask that it be deleted. CPret 11:34, 10 July 2005 (UTC)
 * There was a vote going on at Talk:American West, that was leaning towards turing the page into a redirect when this Vfd was posted. -JCarriker 17:50, July 10, 2005 (UTC)
 * The result of the above vote on Talk:American West was to redirect American West to Western United States. -JCarriker 01:36, July 13, 2005 (UTC)

Keep Good article.--LavonS
 * Strong Keep. Sorry, but just because you created it does not allow you to have the authority to delete it as well. We try not to own our articles. Reasonable article that elaborates about a cultural phenomenon, as opposed to a geographical one. If anything, it has to be fixed, not deleted. -- Natalinasmpf 11:46, 10 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Strong Keep - check the talk page as well. -max rspct 15:29, 10 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Strong Keep as a redirect. CPret created the page from a redirect to U.S. West in October, making a duplicate article. The material has now been merged at Western United States. Consensus oin a survey on Talk:American West is for making it back into a redirect. While I regret CPret's decesion to leave his reasons for Vfding the page are not legitimate. -JCarriker 15:34, July 10, 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep. Not a valid reason for deletion. (BTW, where did that ginormous image in the VfD tag come from? It's not being used in a template anywhere.) A &#1080; D &#1103; 01D  TALK  EMAIL  16:17, July 10, 2005 (UTC)
 * I don't see one on my settings at his time. What does it look like? -JCarriker 16:24, July 10, 2005 (UTC)
 * Image:Delete_Icon.png. It was added to the VfD template for a short time by User:Denelson83 but was quickly changed back. The notice on American West was subst'd in, so the image should still be there... A &#1080; D &#1103; 01D  TALK  EMAIL  16:29, July 10, 2005 (UTC)
 * I see you mean the tag on the article. Thanks. -JCarriker 16:48, July 10, 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep as a redirect to Western United States (merge any remaining worthwhile duplicate material). Probably there is no reason to have two articles. If there is&mdash;say, one with a more cultural focus&mdash;"American West" is not a good title for that more cultural article, it should follow the "Culture of..." pattern. -- Jmabel | Talk 17:24, July 10, 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep as a redirect.Theresa Knott (a tenth stroke) 17:39, 10 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep Why would you nominate this for deletion? Redwolf24 18:35, 10 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep - seems fine to me..? -mysekurity 18:40, 10 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Redirect Clearly there is a desire for this to become a redirect, and merge work has already been done. per JCarriker -Harmil 18:41, 10 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Strong Keep and Do not redirect. My reasons are on the archived talk page but here's a recap: The American West is the nearly universal name for this region in both academic works and the popular press&mdash;that's what most people will be looking for. The American Old West is not a region but a historical era occurring in the American West from about the Civil War through the 1890s. Most of the history of the American West occurred before and after those 30-40 years and continues to this day. Also, to imply, as the Western United States article does, that Hawaii is culturally and historically part of the American West and states like Texas through the Dakotas are not, is simply wrong. And I think there is plenty of evidence to back that up. Also, only with great difficulty can the category system for the American West article which has been built up over time by several contributors be transferred to the Western United States because the articles are defining two different regions using different criteria. I would redirect Western United States to Geography of the Western United States and dab that page. DialUp 19:15, 10 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Just some notes: Texas and the Dakotas are include in the Western United States article, it's just noted that they are often consider part of the South and Midwest respectfully as well, and thus aren't always include in the West. Also the Geography of the Western United States, does not include Texas and the Dakotas at present. According to Naming conventions adopted by WikiProject U.S. regions, the article should be located at Western United States, which is where the original U.S. West article was moved; all other regions with diretions in their names are located at -ern United States. -JCarriker 19:24, July 10, 2005 (UTC)
 * Merge this article should be included in the history of the American West. The modern West does NOT include states such as Texas. Not only is geography a distinction but culture and politics as well. In response to DailUp, yes, Hawaii is part of the MODERN West and culturally too. Hawaii has similar legislation, outlooks and demographics to other Western states. Texas is nothing at all like any modern Western states, if you include it in the present West I am prepared to NPOV for original research. Yes, historically Texas WAS part of the West, not anymore. Here are some reasons why: US Census does not include Texas, polls indicate major differences in cultural opinion between Texas and the majority of thr West, ie 48% of southerners against same-sex unions vs. 28% of westerners, Texas restricts the sale of sex toys (there is absolutely nothing like this in any modern western state, in fact Nevada allows prostitution), Texas had a ban on interracial marriage at the time of the 1967 Supreme Court ruling striking it down, no Western state had such a law. Texas TODAY is part of the South, plain and simple. Using your line of thinking we would have to include West Virginia in the American West, when in reality, yes, it was considered Western in the past but not today. Globeism 20:13, 10 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep. Uvaduck 21:16, 10 July 2005 (UTC)
 * I have fixed the map and I hope you will agree. The current American West article has major flaws, for example in the past the Great Lakes region was considered Western: Northwest Territory and West Virginia. Globeism 21:18, 10 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep; just because an article attracts POV pushers is no reason to delete. Kaibabsquirrel 03:23, 11 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep. Uppland 07:47, 11 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep, don't redirect; name is right. Frank101 04:22, 13 July 2005 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in an undeletion request). No further edits should be made to this page.