Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/American players of American football of Italian descent


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   delete. § FreeRangeFrog croak 17:03, 23 July 2014 (UTC)

American players of American football of Italian descent

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Unsourced list of a non-notable group, fails WP:LISTN. - MrX 11:40, 16 July 2014 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Sportspeople-related deletion discussions.  Jinkinson   talk to me  12:30, 16 July 2014 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of American football-related deletion discussions.  Jinkinson   talk to me  12:32, 16 July 2014 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Lists of people-related deletion discussions.  Jinkinson   talk to me  12:32, 16 July 2014 (UTC)


 * Delete. This kind of really detailed and not particularly notable intersection should probably be dealt with by the category system rather than by a list. --Delirium (talk) 13:12, 16 July 2014 (UTC)
 * Why on earth would you say that? We are not more lenient with such intersections in categories than we are in lists. See WP:OCAT. postdlf (talk) 13:29, 16 July 2014 (UTC)
 * By "dealt with by the category system" I had in mind some kind of functioning category-intersection system, not reifying the intersection. --Delirium (talk) 15:01, 16 July 2014 (UTC)
 * So you mean the long requested feature Category intersections, but not anything the category system does currently? As written, your comment suggested support for creating Category:American players of American football of Italian descent. postdlf (talk) 15:48, 16 July 2014 (UTC)
 * Delete, "list" of two entries duplicates well-populated section at List of Italian Americans in sports, and awkward, confusing title not useful as a redirect. postdlf (talk) 14:03, 16 July 2014 (UTC)
 * Question - This list is obviously a mess, but the question presented is a new one for me, and I would like to understand any applicable policies or guidelines for evaluating and deleting this and similar lists.  Apart from the fact that this list has no content and no sources, how is it conceptually different than List of Jewish American sportspeople or List of Filipino American athletes or List of Italian-American Medal of Honor recipients?  Is it simply a question of notability of the group per WP:NLIST and WP:GNG, or are other policies in play?  Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 14:26, 16 July 2014 (UTC)
 * I'm confused by your comment given what I just wrote. List of Italian Americans in sports is a comparable list to List of Jewish American sportspeople. The list under discussion here is just a poor and incomplete duplicate of one section of that list. Notability of the group as a group that a list represents is one way to analyze its merits; see WP:LISTPURP for others. postdlf (talk) 15:48, 16 July 2014 (UTC)
 * Okay. Your objection is not that the subject is non-notable or otherwise unsuitable for a list article, merely that it duplicates a sublist of an already existing article?  Is that correct?  Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 16:12, 16 July 2014 (UTC)
 * Basically. postdlf (talk) 16:18, 16 July 2014 (UTC)


 * Delete - Per discussion points between Postdlf and Dirtlawyer immediately above. Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 16:31, 16 July 2014 (UTC)


 * Delete - There appears to be a list of Italian American sports figures already which has a "football" section. No need to create a new article. Bali88 (talk) 16:50, 16 July 2014 (UTC)
 * Delete Per nom. and the previous comments. --Jersey92 (talk) 00:00, 18 July 2014 (UTC)
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