Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Aminur Rahman,Khosru


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The result was   delete. Mark Arsten (talk) 20:37, 20 August 2012 (UTC)

Aminur Rahman,Khosru

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Poorly sourced, self-promotional autobiography ([//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Bangladesh_Awami_League&diff=prev&oldid=503869273]) pushed by a single-purpose account, about a person who was a fighter in the Bangladesh war of 1971. His sole claim to notability is that he allegedly was a commander at a special forces operation involving blowing up some ships in a harbour. This claim is sourced to an offline journal of unknown reliability ("Naval Commando Journal"), quite likely some self-published special interest group publication, plus another entry that seems to be a newspaper ("Robi, Mir Mustak Ahmed (2008). Chetonai Ekattor"), again with no indication of WP:RS status. The problem is that we had an earlier claim, apparently sourced to another source of equal validity, which named some other guy as the commander in that operation ([//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Operation_Jackpot&diff=443520835&oldid=443349447]). Other, reliable sources were found mentioning some names that may (or may not) correspond to both these individuals, but they describe neither of them as a commander (see discussion here). The author/subject of this article has apparently been trying quite hard and in multiple ways to change the received account of this operation and promote his own (real or imagined) role in it, as expressed here [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Sezan_Mahmud&diff=prev&oldid=506793312][//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Operation_Jackpot&diff=500793258&oldid=500092152]. But whichever way it is, even if this article's claim is true, he was still at most the local leader of a small handful of men in one local branch of the whole operation; he was certainly not the commander responsible for the overall planning and execution of anything large-scale; as such, he is very far from satisfying anything in WP:SOLDIER, let alone WP:BLP1E.

Everything else in the article is even weaker: it is said that he was somehow involved in the foundation of an emigré political organization in Germany later in his life, but apparently he has no public function in that organization, and nothing about him can be found on its website.

Everything else, including all of the basic biographic data, political activities etc., is entirely unsourced.

Note that I have stubbed back the article for BLP reasons; the fuller version can be found here. Fut.Perf. ☼ 10:05, 13 August 2012 (UTC)
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 * Delete per WP:V. Dennis Brown - 2&cent;    &copy;   Join WER 21:13, 13 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Weak keep Do not assume that the books and journals are unreliable. Material from 1971 is much less likely to be on line.  Based on the references given it is supported by independent reliable sources (AGF that they exist) but we cannot tell if it is substantial. Graeme Bartlett (talk) 21:25, 13 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Trouble is that the other sources that apparently say the opposite must be presumed to be just as reliable. And given Frankfurt55's evident agenda of self-promotion, and his proven lack of truthfulness (he explicitly lied to me claiming he was not the article subject himself [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Future_Perfect_at_Sunrise&diff=507143009&oldid=507140720], when he had actually signed with his name just a few days earlier [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Bangladesh_Awami_League&diff=prev&oldid=503869273]), I'm not willing to take his word for what those sources say. Plus, even if those were true, they cover only this one incident, and there is no indication they contain anything like non-trivial in-depth coverage of this individual's biography. The entire rest of the article, including all the basic biographical data, is completely unsourced, which means we have a WP:BLP1E situation at best. Fut.Perf. ☼ 21:37, 13 August 2012 (UTC)

Dear sir, You have mixed up the whole thing and again you are trying to blame me.I told you earlier that I am assuring you that I am not Aminur Rahman,Khosru.I use a PC of Bangladesh club in Germany,the PC is frequently used by other user too. But thats not the point,the fact is that,you are some how trying to blame me for unnecessary reason. You wrote me to-day to go away from Wikipedia.This is a personal attack to me.With respect to you,Wikipedia belongs to Millions of users like you and me.Its not your property,nor you are the boss of this organisation.You have no right to tell me to go away from Wikipedia.Do not do it again. I do not allow people to talk to me in that way because I never misbehave with others.You have no right to say me go away. There are many Admins they never behave like you did with me.I know you can give me block but you deserve no right to tell me go away.Back to the article,If you need my identification,I wrote you earlier why you do not ask me for that.Instead of doing that you are trying to prove me that I am Aminur Rahman,Khosru.Which wont be able to prove ever as I am not that person. Back to your point,you will some how delete the article,an admin who can say me go away,he can do all. Please feel free to do as you want but remembare you can not stop the truth.This shall come out.And also do not revert the articles after the Undeletion of my article by Admin Berlett.He has undeleted my aricle at 6.20 and you have reverted the Operation Jackpot at 6.27 AM .Why you know,you wanted to hide all the sources and references of Aminur Rahman,khosru once for all but that will not be possible.You can not delete all books where the name of commander Aminur Rahman,Khosru are written. The matter has to be discussed through Independent Admins and a fact finding commitee,if they say I am wrong,then I am wrong.But I am sure nothing will happen. But sooner readers and editors willl know about your practise,how you revert other articles soon after you see the your deletion is not authenticated.You can not do it long.I am sure there will be an end of these activities very soon.And please do not try again to tell me go away. Best Regards, --Frankfurt55 (talk) 23:42, 13 August 2012 (UTC)


 * Delete: Current state of article shows that subject is not notable, and old version was just a bunch of puffery.— Ryulong ( 琉竜 ) 03:55, 14 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Delete: No convincing evidence of the subject's notability has been presented.   Ravenswing   07:21, 14 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Delete. Re: "The problem is that we had an earlier claim, apparently sourced to another source of equal validity, which named some other guy as the commander in that operation ([2])." That earlier claim did name someone else as the leader at Mongla, but also said "Submariner Abedur Rahman was in charge of the commando group sent to Narayanganj.". "Abedur Rahman" sounds like an alternative spelling to "Aminur Rahman"? Anyway, even if true, there is not sufficient notability demonstrated for an article about this person. -- Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 07:37, 14 August 2012 (UTC)
 * I don't know anything about Bengali names, but from what I've seen during my various searches here, "Abedur" and "Aminur" are not the same name. All these name components are very frequent though, so it's easy to confuse such references. In any case, Narayanganj is far away from Mongla, so it's evidently a different event. Fut.Perf. ☼ 07:59, 14 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Delete as it does not satisfy WP:SOLDIER as noted by the nom. 203.27.72.5 (talk) 22:26, 14 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Comment: WP:SOLDIER is an essay, and a deeply flawed one; according to its criteria, any general officer is notable, as well as anyone who has commanded an undefined "considerable body of troops" in combat. Are there as few as 10,000 flag officers in the US military, for instance?   Ravenswing   22:41, 14 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Comment. Do you not think that any general or flag officer is notable then? I certainly do. -- Necrothesp (talk) 15:49, 15 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Reply: You think that every general is notable? Every brigadier?   Ravenswing   21:38, 15 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Yes I do. As do other editors, hence the essay, which as I'm sure you know is a widely accepted, if unofficial, standard. Not only are they notable for having reached this rank, it also helps to balance many Wikipedia editors' obsession with minor "celebrities", sportspeople and musicians. After all, who is more notable? Someone who has risen to high rank in the forces or someone who has played a single professional game or has had a top 40 single? I know what I would answer, yet the latter two are the ones who are considered to have a "right" to an article here. -- Necrothesp (talk) 21:42, 15 August 2012 (UTC)


 * Delete, subject appears to fail WP:GNG, WP:ANYBIO, & within the field of MILHIST fails WP:SOLDIER.--RightCowLeftCoast (talk) 08:52, 17 August 2012 (UTC)


 * [Block evasion by Frankfurt55 removed. – Fut.Perf. ☼ 06:31, 18 August 2012 (UTC)]
 * You've already !voted.--Shirt58 (talk) 04:27, 18 August 2012 (UTC)
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