Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Amir Hamza (poet)


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The result was no consensus. Stifle (talk) 10:11, 1 April 2022 (UTC)

Amir Hamza (poet)

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Although I myself created the page, I'm in indecision whether should this page be kept or not. The thing is, at the time of the creation, the subject was a recipient of the highest civilian award. But the government has revoked the award after investigation. Outside of the controversy regarding him receiving the award, there is literally no other coverage of either him or his poetry. He only published one non-notable book. He was more of a psychopath than an author. He killed a guy over some silly your-cow-dung-on-my-field related brawl with a spear, and was sentenced to life for it. Recent media reports suggest it is not the value of Amir Hamza's literary works, but his son – a top bureaucrat – that helped the man get selected. The son proposed the name to the government and a senior secretary endorsed the proposal. The Business Standard did a thorough piece on him, and ended the article with "Seriously? I don't know what more to say about this guy other than being speechless." I'd appreciate others' input on whether he passes notability guidelines.Tame (talk) 17:13, 18 March 2022 (UTC) Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz Read! Talk! 23:33, 25 March 2022 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of People-related deletion discussions. Tame (talk) 17:13, 18 March 2022 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Poetry-related deletion discussions. Tame (talk) 17:13, 18 March 2022 (UTC)
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 * keep I think the subject is notable now. No matter how controversial,disputed or unknown he was in the past, he has now got a lot of significant coverage. — Preceding unsigned comment added by FBedits (talk • contribs) 18:50, 18 March 2022 (UTC)
 * None of them count since they are based in a false awarding. This type of incident is not new in BD. In 2018, a guy named রইজ উদ্দিন was awarded and later it was revoked. Tame (talk) 19:27, 18 March 2022 (UTC)
 * Significant coverage exists regardless of whether the award was revoked or not. If anything receiving a country's highest civilian award and then losing it adds to notability. Atchom (talk) 17:16, 19 March 2022 (UTC)
 * Keep As User:FBedits says, significant coverage now exists, even if the award was revoked. Notability is not the same thing as merit. Atchom (talk) 17:18, 19 March 2022 (UTC)
 *  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.


 * Delete Coverage in newspapers about the controversy of his award does not ensure notability and the consensus reflected in the article is that he was not a notable poet and was undeserving of this award. And beyond this controversy, there is not really much other content that says who this person was beyond the fact that he was accused of killing someone and that he had a son who was high up enough in bureaucracy to get him an award for writing a few poems. What does his notability center on? Not his poetry, not his contributions. But on the fact he was given an award that others thought he didn't deserve. That fact is not enough to center a biography around. Liz Read! Talk! 23:57, 25 March 2022 (UTC)
 * @Liz, thanks for this. Moreover, The govt delisted him citing: The recipent has been removed from the list because of providing 'false and inaccurate' information as well as 'intentionally hiding' information. Tame (talk) 07:53, 27 March 2022 (UTC)


 * Comment I'm not sure it's accurate to say he was awarded, or received the award. The Cabinet Division issued a press release listing him among the people to whom it planned to give the award, then three days later took his name off the list. As far as I can tell, his name was never gazetted, and when the ceremony took place a week later, he (or his heirs) didn't receive an award. --Worldbruce (talk) 22:51, 27 March 2022 (UTC)
 * Merge (selectively) to List of Independence Day Award recipients (2020–2029). Some of the content is encyclopedic, but it's about the award process, not about Hamza. It's a case of a person notable only for one event. He wasn't a notable poet or a notable criminal. The sources, all from a single news cycle, cover him only in the context of "why is the government planning to give him this award?" He was a low-profile individual (he didn't seek the attention he received for being on the list) and, being dead, is likely to remain so.
 * The article could be recast to be about the event, with a descriptive title like 2022 Independence Day Award vetting misstep, but it may not have lasting consequences or coverage persisting over a period of time, so may not meet the notability guideline for events. A selective merge is better because it would preserve the paragraph or so of content that helps readers understand the Independence Day Award, while dropping the pseudo-biography detail. --Worldbruce (talk) 23:10, 27 March 2022 (UTC)


 * Keep: From my understanding, we have a lot of articles on people committing one murder and are notable for just that. Hamza is notable for multiple things including murder. Dialmayo (talk) 00:09, 1 April 2022 (UTC)


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