Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Ammar al-Saffar


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The result was keep / nomination withdrawn. Consensus is clear. Star  Mississippi  15:36, 21 July 2022 (UTC)

Ammar al-Saffar

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I thought about moving this to Disappearance of... to solve the 1E issue, but the more I look the less I'm sure he or his disappearance was notable, despite his rank. Thoughts? Star  Mississippi  21:02, 6 July 2022 (UTC) Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz Read! Talk! 23:38, 13 July 2022 (UTC) Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz Read! Talk! 23:03, 20 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: People, Crime,  and Iraq.  Star   Mississippi  21:02, 6 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Comment Leaning delete based on how I'm not seeing English language coverage beyond the abduction. That said, I have zero visibility to any potential non-English sources due to a language barrier. Is there precedent w/r/t whether an deputy minister meets WP:NPOL? -Ljleppan (talk) 07:43, 7 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Keep. Ministers, even deputies, have usually been considered to pass WP:POLITICIAN. -- Necrothesp (talk) 12:27, 13 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Politicians-related deletion discussions. Necrothesp (talk) 12:27, 13 July 2022 (UTC)
 *  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 *  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.


 * Keep. Notable for being a deputy minister, for opposing Saddam H, for being abducted in dramatic circumstances. Sources:
 * 1) Gordon, M. R., Trainor, B. E. (2013). The Endgame: The Inside Story of the Struggle for Iraq, from George W. Bush to Barack Obama. United States: Vintage Books. (two mentioned discussing his abduction, about a book page in total)
 * 2) Consider WP:SUSTAINED Still hitting Naharnet news in 2013 https://www.naharnet.com/stories/en/109647
 * 3) So that's a 2006 event in Iraq being reported on in 2008 in UK and in 2013 in Lebanon...http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/7348256.stm
 * 4) Note also he was making news in 2004 before his abduction. And note of course, English language news, despite being Iraq BARNES, J. E. et al. Victims of Circumstance. U.S. News & World Report, [s. l.], v. 137, n. 10, p. 22–28, 2004. Disponível em: https://search.ebscohost.com/login.aspx?direct=true&db=a9h&AN=14434673&site=eds-live&scope=site. Acesso em: 20 jul. 2022.
 * 5) Although brief, 2022 reports talking about his abduction Iraq Country ReviewIraq Country Review. [S. l.: s. n.]. Disponível em: https://search.ebscohost.com/login.aspx?direct=true&db=bth&AN=157232150&site=eds-live&scope=site. Acesso em: 20 jul. 2022. Consdier WP:LASTING
 * 6) I got 20 hits on Proquest about his abduction. I think it's safe to assume we searched for his name in Arabic we'd find a lot more.
 * In summary, I think he's a notable person. CT55555 (talk) 23:55, 20 July 2022 (UTC)


 * Snow Keep Notable as a deputy Minister, notable for his abduction. I'll add Foreign Policy (admittedly a feature by his son but FP wouldn't give a platform to someone like this for nothing) and the NYT just for larks. Take this to Arabic and now you're really going to town - pre-Kidnap on Al Jaz here and then his kidnapping on Sawa, Al Watan, Kuwaiti news agency KUNA - you're basically looking at a SNOW keep. Best Alexandermcnabb (talk) 12:54, 21 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Thanks. You inspired me to improve the article, although I could not find that Al Jazeera link above, it did not work. CT55555 (talk) 13:58, 21 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Hey, CT55555 here's the original Arabic, and this is da Google translate. :) Best Alexandermcnabb (talk) 14:11, 21 July 2022 (UTC)


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