Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Amnuay Silpa School


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The result was   keep. Notable secondary school. (non-admin closure) &#124;  Uncle Milty  &#124;  talk  &#124;  01:31, 4 September 2013 (UTC)

Amnuay Silpa School

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Article has spent several years tagged requesting references and as an orphan, no attempt has been made to improve the article. School lacks notability in numerous reliable sources and it is time to go. Superman7515 (talk) 01:02, 28 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Thailand-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 02:39, 28 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Schools-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 02:39, 28 August 2013 (UTC)


 * Keep - tough one, so I'll explain my reasoning. First, we have WP:SCHOOLOUTCOMES which suggests secondary school like this are generally kept as notable. Second, there is coverage out there including this from 1958, this about some partnership arrangement and this (which is about the same "story" as the second but from a different paper). Those are what I could find with a quick search but I'm sure there must be more, given the school has been around since 1926. There's probably enough for me, but I'm more than happy to talk about it. Stalwart 111  13:00, 28 August 2013 (UTC)


 * Keep - not tough  at  all per WP:SCHOOLOUTCOMES - the school is proven to  exist  as a mainstream  high  school  providing secondary  education  until  school-leaving  age, and that  here in  Thailand is  the Mathayom class (17 - 18 years old). The Thai  government  wouldn't  take kindly  to  just  any  school  using  Silpa in  its name - Silpa Bhirasri is a very  important  figure in  Thai  education. I taught at the public Silpakorn University  for a while - would the nominator like to  propose that  article for deletion  too, just  because it  is scant  on  sources? Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 14:54, 28 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Silpa simply means "art". There are loads of people and organisations with silpa in their names. --Paul_012 (talk) 10:33, 30 August 2013 (UTC)


 * Comment - That wouldn't be a bad idea either considering there are no sources on the page and in order to establish notability an individual must have widespread reliable secondary sources, however, that is not what the discussion is about. As notabiity is not inherited (WP:INHERITORG), naming the school after someone of possible notabilty is not enough to establish notability for the school itself. Also, as standard operating procedure is that no article is inherently notable (WP:ORGSIG), the article as it stands fails WP:N. Even WP:NHS states that high schools must meet WP:N and WP:ORG which states "An organization is generally considered notable if it has been the subject of significant coverage in reliable, independent secondary sources." While there is incidental coverage on the school, it does not appear to meet the standard of significant coverage.Superman7515 (talk) 16:12, 28 August 2013 (UTC)
 * I'm a bit confused. Did you conduct any of the searches/actions required by WP:BEFORE? Articles should not be nominated for deletion just because they currently have no sources (though that seems to be what you are suggesting here and with regard to Silpakorn University). They should be nominated for deletion if, having done your own search, no sources could be found. I found some with a very, very quick search. What did your search turn up? Stalwart 111  22:03, 28 August 2013 (UTC)
 * The nominator is confused: Mentioning Silpa and the university was clearly not intended as a rationale  to  keep  the article within  our policies, guidelines, and their exceptions and precedents. It  was stated to  provide background only and to  demonstrate that the nominator  is unaware of WP:SCHOOLOUTCOMES. If  this was a minor, back-street cram  school it  would be different and almost  certainly  deleted -  and with  my  strong support. It  isn't. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 22:43, 28 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Absolutely. Stalwart 111  23:39, 28 August 2013 (UTC)


 * Keep/reply to above - The general consensus is at WP:SCHOOLOUTCOMES, which is somewhat WP:IAR in that 1) these schools are generally important in their communities and 2) given enough time and searching, enough sources can be found so that they pass WP:ORG: instead of merging, deleting, or userfying as we may do to other articles while this happens, schools offering secondary and higher education are kept because of point 1. Ansh666 19:35, 28 August 2013 (UTC)


 * Keep, without regard to WP:SCHOOLOUTCOMES (which I generally disagree with anyway). Amnuay Silpa is simply notable per the WP:GNG in its own right. Among its alumni are six prime ministers. A cursory Google search turns up recent coverage from the Bangkok Post, The Nation', Prachachat Turakij and Krungthep Thurakij, among others. --Paul_012 (talk) 10:10, 30 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Keep as a secondary school, for reasons endlessly reiterated. -- Necrothesp (talk) 15:37, 2 September 2013 (UTC)
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