Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Amr bin Fareed bin Mohammed bin Zedan (Amr F. Zedan)


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. Consensus is that there are insufficient WP:RS to pass WP:BIO.

A sub-thread explored the more general topic of paid editing. This is obviously still a topic the community is grappling with, but our current policy only requires that paid editing be disclosed, and that requirement was met.

There was a suggestion to create a new Zedan family article and repurpose some of the content from here into that, but no support for that idea emerged. -- RoySmith (talk) 11:16, 29 September 2017 (UTC)

Amr bin Fareed bin Mohammed bin Zedan (Amr F. Zedan)

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Struggling to find any independent in-depth coverage in reliable sources - lack of WP:SIGCOV. The cited sources are about polo, the company he inherited from his father, or his father, and he is only mentioned in passing. Promotional article, created by a paid WP:SPA (declared on talkpage). Edwardx (talk) 00:42, 5 September 2017 (UTC)
 * delete a non-notable businessman.John Pack Lambert (talk) 02:11, 5 September 2017 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Businesspeople-related deletion discussions.  M assiveYR   ♠  04:13, 5 September 2017 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Saudi Arabia-related deletion discussions.  M assiveYR   ♠  04:13, 5 September 2017 (UTC)


 * Clarification please --, did you mean to assert that the main article contributor has lapsed from WP:PAID? If so could you please be specific about where and when they lapsed from th the PAID policy?
 * Yes, we should have a policy on paid contributions -- which the main contributor seems to have made a good faith attempt to comply with. I suggest that, if you CAN'T explain how their contributions lapsed from policy you overstrike that portion of your nomination.
 * Personally, I could agree with a PAID policy with restrictions that were harder to measure up to. However, I expect my fellow contributors to measure up to the policies we have, not the policies I would like us to have.  Geo Swan (talk) 12:32, 5 September 2017 (UTC)
 * Geo Swan, I'm not seeking to suggest that the article creator has failed to comply with WP:PAID, merely that it being a paid-for article is something one might consider as a factor in decision making, particularly if one was on the keep/delete fence. As always, the matter of "independent in-depth coverage in reliable sources" should remain paramount. Edwardx (talk) 16:03, 5 September 2017 (UTC)


 * Keep, as above, if the main contributor has complied with PAID, as I am satisfied the article cites enough RS to establish notability. called bin Fareed a "non-notable businessman".  As above, deletion is supposed to be based on policy criteria, not our gut feelings.
 * We might have a gut feeling that a foreign businessman, we never heard of, couldn't possibly measure up to our policy's inclusion criteria. But, when the article cites multiple references, shouldn't a "delete" comment specifically lay out why we discount those references?  Geo Swan (talk) 12:45, 5 September 2017 (UTC)
 * The difficulty is whether we should Assume good faith as to those being "independent in-depth coverage in reliable sources" when they have been added by a paid or COI editor, particularly in a foreign language with an unfamiliar script, like Arabic. Alas, beyond the numbers, I cannot read Arabic. Edwardx (talk) 00:00, 7 September 2017 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, CAPTAIN RAJU (T) 00:45, 12 September 2017 (UTC)  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Merge and repurpose to a new article on the Zedan family, wghuch has many notable members.  DGG ( talk ) 00:07, 16 September 2017 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, CAPTAIN RAJU (T) 00:39, 19 September 2017 (UTC)
 * Delete Fails WP:SIGCOV and WP:BIO.Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 01:34, 22 September 2017 (UTC)
 * Delete for failing notability guides quoted above, not because of any editor's status as a paid contributor, WP:ADHOM. Ifnord (talk) 19:06, 28 September 2017 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.