Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Amy Osmond Cook


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. I disregard three votes which are not policy-based. The person can very well be notable, but for the time being we have no evidence for that. If someone wants to re-create the article writing it according to the policies (WP:N is relevant), WP:AFC is likely the best way to proceed.--Ymblanter (talk) 08:28, 27 August 2016 (UTC)

Amy Osmond Cook

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Non notable; though her father is. Her two books have lessthan 50 library copies each and are therefore trivial, her company is not notable. This is one of a group of apparently promotional articles--see the previous afds.  DGG ( talk ) 05:01, 12 August 2016 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Authors-related deletion discussions. Lakun.patra (talk) 05:50, 12 August 2016 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of United States of America-related deletion discussions. Lakun.patra (talk) 05:50, 12 August 2016 (UTC)

1. America's Junior Miss is a major national title that has been received by notable celebrities such as Diane Sawyer. The organization, while its name has been changed, has its own wikipedia page: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Distinguished_Young_Women. Other similar national winners, such as [|Sharlene Wells Hawkes], have received notability status based on one national title. More information on the nationally televised event can be accessed in my interview and performance in the Music City Tonight archives.
 * Delete As much as I feel that in general Latter-day Saint women are under-represented in Wikipedia, Osmond Cook just does not pass notability guidelines. America's Junior Miss is not a title that makes someone notable. Her books have not received enough coverage for her to pass the notability guidelines for writers. Most groupings of x number of notable CEOs under y age are also not enough to grant notability. There might be a possibility to redirect this article to the article on her father and mention the books she wrote there, but I do not think a seperate article is warranted.John Pack Lambert (talk) 17:04, 12 August 2016 (UTC)
 * Keep Hello, it's Amy Cook. I would like to address editors' concerns with my notability with the following explanations:

2. This article has been listed for months, and I have been referenced in Wikipedia for many years.

3. I don't believe that "copies currently in the library" should be the criteria for the success of the book. The books are several years old, and they were impactful. "Why They Believe" was a foundational argument for a major legal case against the FLDS church in Utah. "Full Bloom" was the nationally sponsored book of the Distinguished Young Woman program. It appears that an editor used industry access to access private accounts to make this judgment based simply on current copies in the library.

4. It was also stated that Osmond Marketing was not notable. No reasons have been provided here. From my perspective, this company is notable, especially in the senior care industry, as we serve over 300 senior care clients who do billions in revenue in the industry. Osmond Marketing was also recently featured in the Huffington Post as an innovative business model.

5. There are other aspects of notability that have not been updated on the page. As it states in the Wikipedia guidelines: "Notability is a property of a subject and not of a Wikipedia article. If the subject has not been covered outside of Wikipedia, no amount of improvements to the Wikipedia content will suddenly make the subject notable. Conversely, if the source material exists, even very poor writing and referencing within a Wikipedia article will not decrease the subject's notability." Therefore, I believe I should reference them here.

a. Influential voice in senior care as Executive Director of the Association of Skilled Nursing Providers, a nonprofit 501(c)3

b. Entrepreneur Magazine contributor

c. Daily Herald Health and Wellness Columnist

d. OC Register Health Columnist

e. KSL Contributor

f. Caring.com Partner

g. Senior Scene Contributor

h. Publisher of 39ForLife.com

i. Cupid's Pulse columnist

j. Host of Good Day, Orange County, a morning talk show for Laguna Woods Village, one of the largest senior communities in the United States.

k. Family Share Contributor

Other notable events unrelated to the senior care industry include:

a. Regular performer at the Osmond Family Theater in Branson. As a violin soloist, I performed with my family, The Osmonds, who were listed on this talk page as notable. While there, I was awarded the "Newcomer of the Year" for all Branson Theaters.

b. Producer and soloist in Nativity, a harp and violin album. This album sold tens of thousands of copies and continues to sell.

c. Actor in full-length feature film, Side by Side

I hope that some of these would rise to the level of notability and that I would be considered for undeletion. Thank you for considering this. Amyosmondcook (talk) 08:50, 13 August 2016 (UTC)


 * Comment: Amyosmondcook has made few edits outside of this discussion. Cabayi (talk) 08:40, 21 August 2016 (UTC)


 * Keep I am a friend of Amy Osmond Cook and a former journalist who supports keeping this entry. At the time this entry was flagged for possible deletion, I believe the entry was out of date and focused too much on childhood accomplishments. I updated it to focus more on her recent professional accomplishments. I believe the updated entry meets Wikipedia's "notability" criteria: The article relies primarily on reputable, independent news sources that published non-trivial coverage about her without incentive, promotion, or other influence by people connected to her.

In full disclosure, I've done consulting work for her company; however, when Amy mentioned to me that her Wikipedia entry had been flagged for removal, I felt such a decision would be unfair and took it upon myself to update her entry on my own time. I did my own research, added additional citations, and did not discuss my edits with her. Thank you for considering my perspective. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Scottmartindale (talk • contribs) 22:02, 14 August 2016 (UTC)


 * Comment: Scottmartindale has made few edits outside of this discussion. Cabayi (talk) 08:40, 21 August 2016 (UTC)


 * Delete Does not meet notability guidelines. Was deleted previously, noted in an edit summary when it was added again that should be the case again. ChristensenMJ (talk) 00:53, 15 August 2016 (UTC)


 * Delete She doesn't have significant coverage yet, nor do her books. May be WP:TOOSOON. Megalibrarygirl (talk) 18:44, 15 August 2016 (UTC)
 * Keep I know of Amy Osmond Cook professionally through multiple of her accomplishments, which makes me stunned to see this article being considered for deletion. She is on the cover of the Summer 2016 issue of UV Business Q Magazine as acknowledgement of her selection as one of Utah's 40 under 40 CEOs. https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/uv-business-q-magazine-40-under-amy-osmond-cook-ph-d- Not only is America's Junior Miss title an accomplishment that has been deemed notable by other prior winners such as Diane Sawyer and Sharlene Wells Hawke, I would dare say she is one of the most accomplished women to have won the award. Her professional accomplishments include ongoing columnist to Entrepreneur magazine https://www.entrepreneur.com/article/280144, the OC Register http://www.ocregister.com/articles/caregiver-725325-agency-loved.html and KSL http://www.ksl.com/?sid=38756012&nid=1012 among other publications including the Huffington Post, where she has both written and been covered. A simple Google search on the term "Amy Osmond Cook, Ph.d., shows more than 7 full pages of results, including accomplishments, notable awards received and articles published https://www.google.com/?client=safari#q=Amy+Osmond+Cook,+Ph.d.&start=0  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Cconner01 (talk • contribs) 02:00, 16 August 2016 (UTC)


 * Comment: Cconner01 has made no other edits outside of this discussion. Cabayi (talk) 08:40, 21 August 2016 (UTC)


 * Delete non-notable, perhaps WP:TOOSOON. Judging by the keep !votes she's notable only among her friends & family and the guy who was paid to write the article. Can I go supersize on this delete !vote? for (talk)  08:18, 16 August 2016 (UTC)
 * delete I tried to source it, and failed. Most of the few hits that I got were to a handful of op-eds she has written.E.M.Gregory (talk) 18:35, 22 August 2016 (UTC)
 * Comments. Ordinarily, a person who received such kudos might be notable, although the sourcing is terrible. FWIW, I am representing the estate of a borderline notable LDS jurist. Bearian (talk) 17:26, 23 August 2016 (UTC)


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